Death of Ann Porter,wife of James Porter b 1832 Shropshire.

[gidget37]

Help please, I am trying to find the death of my gr gr grandmother Ann Porter nee Caffrey( Irish) on her marriage cert. (although her eldest daughter put McCaffrey on her dads death info) Ann married James Porter in Catholic church Albury, New South Wales on 20/5/1861. Their first child (my gr grandmother) was born Ellen Porter ,26 Feb. 1862 ,wombat, Burrangang,NSW.
 James and Ann had 7 children, the youngest Mary T Porter b Wagga, 1875. I believe Ann may have died in  or after childbirth. Wagga Wagga.
 No further entries for Ann Porter. No death notice. Nothing for four years.
 Then James has another wife Elizabeth, with whom he has 5 more children, the first b John in 1879 Wagga. I have plenty of information on all of this, including death of James and Elizabeth and their children. The family was still in Wagga Wagga in 1920's
 Except no details of Death of Ann, and marriage of James to Elizabeth. Hope this is not too much information.

[~MERLIN~]

I have requested this to be moved as you have posted in the Completed Board  topic moved over

[Dundee]

Do you know if the children stayed with and were all raised by James?

Debra 

[majm]

Do you have James' death cert?  It should include details of both marriages (when, where, name of spouse) and the children of each marriage should be listed under their respective mothers.

It is possible that if Ann's death was sudden, that there was a Coroner's inquest or at least a Police Magistrate's enquiry.   Sometimes, particularly in regional areas, where the population was 'sparse' so the number of inquests/enquiries was low/infrequent, the actual admin process was not completed in full.    The Coroner/Police Magistrate would issue a burial order for the funeral director to bury the deceased (public hygiene issues) and the inquest may follow that burial.   And often, no one would then consider reporting the actual death to the Deputy BDM registrar for that district.   

I should also add, in that era, the reporting was done verbally, the Deputy BDM was often a part time position, sometimes part of the Clerk of Petty Sessions duties, sometimes part of the Sherrif's duties .... sometimes the paperwork simply did not a) get done or b) get sent to Sydney BDM Reg Gen's office or c) was so poorly written in longhand scribble that it was not actioned once it was in Sydney and d) 'lost in the mail' ....

Cheers,  JM

[gidget37]

Hi, yes I have his death certificate and all of his children are listed with their ages correctly. The only marriage mentioned is his one to Ann Caffrey 20th May 1861, in Albury, NSW. The details were given by his eldest daughter then aged 44 yrs. And she was close to her step mother.

[majm]

Hi,

Re James DC ....

So are you saying that
  all of Ellen's siblings and half siblings are listed as though they are James and Ann's children....
and
  that there's no mention of James wife, Elizabeth ?

If you have a birth cert (or official transcription) for the youngest of James' children, you should learn from it when and where James married Elizabeth.     

  Was William H noted on James dc? 
There's a birth registered Wagga for a William H PORTER, parents as James & Elizabeth. This was in 1893 and is ref #35924.    To me, just looking at the online index, I had presumed that that William born in 1893 with parents as James and Elizabeth was likely the son of James born 1870 also at Wagga, and I would guess that James and Elizabeth could be son and daughter in law to James and Ann.  Of course, it would have been speculation on my part. 

Anyways, a NSW birth cert (or its cheaper version, the official transcription) includes information about the parent/s of the baby, including their own ages, their origins and when/where married.  And of course it also includes the details of that baby's older siblings.    So,  please do consider checking your folders and look for a birth registration for a child of James and Elizabeth, anticipating you will find when and where they married.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

ADD
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8018376  William Henry PORTER, AIF, KiA Fromelles 19 July 1916.   Correspondence on the file from Elizabeth (his mother) and Annie (his sister).

Cheers, JM

[majm]

I can find a registration at St Leonards (not at Wagga) for a John PORTER in 1879, but not a son of James.   

I cannot find a registration for a John PORTER, son of James and Elizabeth, anywhere in NSW between 1870 and 1900.

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

From the 1903 NSW Electoral Roll for BLAND, polling at Wagga
PORTER
Elizabeth, Docker Street, domestic duties
James, Beckwith Street, brickmaker
James, Docker Street, labourer
John, Docker Street, labourer
Robert, Docker Street, labourer.

So, if I speculate that John and Robert are both sons of James, then I need to mention that to enrol to vote, they needed to be at least 21 years of age (1903 minus 21 equals 1882)

I cannot see a NSW birth registered for Robert PORTER with parents as James and Elizabeth or as James and Ann  ( searching 1856-1900). 

Cheers,  JM 

[wivenhoe]

Can you please list all the details on the marriage certificate, 1861, and the death certificate 1906.

I think it is likely that Elizabeth has brought some children to her relationship with James PORTER.

William Henry PORTER #3397 KIA 19 Jul 1917, NOK Mrs Elizabeth PORTER. File includes enquiry from sister A M PORTER "Carluke" Bellevue Parade Hurstville.

NSW BDM births
5362/1862  PORTER Helen          Wagga Wagga
parents James / Anne
 
15691/1864  PORTER Johanna M     Wagga Wagga
parents James / Ann

 15710/1866  PORTER Michael         Wagga Wagga
parents James / Ann

 17309/1868  PORTER Emma J        Wagga Wagga
parents James / Ann

 18051/1870  PORTER James     Wagga Wagga
parents James / Ann
 
 20672/1875  PORTER Mary T       Wagga Wagga
parents James / Ann


These might be the only births to James PORTER and Elizabeth.....

NSW BDM births
27969/1889  PORTER Linda L        Wagga Wagga
parents James / Elizabeth
 
 35924/1893  PORTER William H      Wagga Wagga
parents James / Elizabeth