Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley

[Andrea64]

Looking for parents or information of any kind on Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley. They are the parents of my ggg grandfather Robert Tipper. Robert Tipper was born around 1840 in Radford. He had at least one brother, Frederick Tipper born about 1843 also in Radford. I have a copy of Frederick's birth certificate that lists parents as Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley. This is as far back as I can trace.
  What I do have is Robert Tipper married Salina or Salena (maiden name unknown). Salina was from Smethwick. In 1861 census Robert and Salina living in North Harborne, Staffordshire. They came to United States around 1863.
  Can anyone help with either Tipper or Bromley relatives?

Andrea

[suffolk*sue]

1841 census

HO 107/860/7  -  Radford
Sch. 11, Page 14
Aspley  Terrace

TIPPER
Thomas, aged 35yrs  -  lace maker  -  not born in county
Elizabeth, aged 35yrs
Sarah, aged 15yrs  -  cotton doubler  -  nbic
Jane, aged 15yrs  -  cotton doubler  -  nbic
Elizabeth, aged 14yrs
Maria, aged 12yrs  -  lace drawer - nbic
Julia, aged 8yrs  -  lace drawer
Edward, aged 4yrs
Robert, aged 2yrs
Thomas , aged 2 months

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as above
Sch. 15, Page 23

Juliet BRAMLEY, aged 65yrs  -  cotton winder, living with a family called SIMS (looks like)



from
Sue

[Steve Ley]

Here is the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth from the NFHS marriage transcript;

      DATE  MSURNAME  MFIRSTNAME  FSURNAME  FFIRSTNAME  PLACE  Record 
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31/12/1822  TIPPER    Thomas      BRAMLEY   Elizabeth   N-M    168924 


And from the NFHS baptism transcript;

Record  PLACE        DATE  BORN        CNAME      FNAME   MNAME      FSURN   MSURN    ABODE    PROF       
~~~~~~~~---------------------------
184142  RAD    10/09/1843              Frederick  Thomas  Elizabeth  TIPPER           Radford  Lace Maker 
256966  N=B    21/12/1845  26 08 1839  Robert     Thomas  Elizabeth  TIPPER  BRAMLEY                       
257144  N=B    25/10/1846  12 10 1846  Mary Ann   Thomas  Elizabeth  TIPPER  BRAMBY       
179524  RAD    20/01/1828        Elizabeth  Thomas  Elizabeth  TIPPER         Radford  Cordwainer 



Steve.

[Valda]

From the IGI
  
THOMAS TIPPER  
Spouse:  ELIZABETH BRAMLEY  Marriage:  31 DEC 1822   Saint Mary, Nottingham, Nottingham, England

Looks a little early for the ages on the 1841 census, even though ages on that census for adults are not exact - rounded up or down to the nearest 5.

ELIZABETH TIPPER  
Christening:  20 JAN 1828   Radford, Nottingham, England
Father:  THOMAS TIPPER  
Mother:  ELIZABETH  

JULIA BRAMLEY TIPPER  
Christening:  26 JAN 1834   Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father:  THOMAS TIPPER  Family
Mother:  ELIZABETH  

THOMAS TIPPER    
Christening:  16 SEP 1832   Lenton, Nottingham, England
Death:  02 DEC 1832    
Father:  THOMAS TIPPER  Family
Mother:  ELIZABETH  

THOMAS TIPPER  
Christening:  17 JAN 1836   Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father:  THOMAS TIPPER  Family
Mother:  ELIZABETH  

1861 census RG9 2447 folio 117 Zion Hall Wreston? Row Brewhouse Yard  Nottinghamshire
Mary Ann Cope 25  Radford, Nottinghamshire, Head  Unmarried Silk Winder
Sarah Cope 23 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister  Unmarried Cotton Doubler
Emma Cope 20  Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister Unmarried Silk Winder  
Eliza Cope 18 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister Unmarried Silk Winder
Elizabeth Tipper 56 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Visitor  Married Lace Worker

Regards
Valda



 

[Heather D]

Where ages are rounded in 1841 they are rounded down, so Elizabeth would be age 35-39 in 1841.

There is a baptism for Elizabeth Bramley at Nottingham St Mary 24/06/1804 to John and Juliet, which looks quite likely.

Heather

[Heather D]

Other children of John and Juliet Bramley baptised at Nottingham St Mary

Sarah 09/09/1799
Richard 25/11/1800
Ann 16/10/1806
Harriet 16/12/1813 (here they were living on Pomfret Street and John described as framework knitter)

Marriage of John Bramley and Juliet Bouchere at Nottingham St Mary 03/09/1798

Edit: missed a few to John and Julia Bramley at Nottingham St Mary
Harriet 01/11/1815
Walter 21/01/1811
Charlotte 11/09/1802

[Valda]

Though the instructions for writing the age on the 1841 census is always down

Column 4    Age and Sex

The instructions read: For persons aged 15 years and upwards it is sufficient to state within what period of five years their age is, writing down the lowest number of that period: thus for persons aged 15 and under 20, write 15 - for 20 and under 25, write 20 ... but the exact age may be stated if the person prefers it. For persons under 15, write in the number of years; for infants under one year the number of months.

Experience teaches me this is a very moveable feast and Thomas may prove to be somewhat older than his potential upper limit of 39 on the 1841 census, particularly for instance if he was 40 in the year of the census, but after the census was taken, or he miscalculated his age by a year. That is why I gave the leeway of up or down within the 5 year band, as always presuming down can be misleading.

Regards
Valda

[Heather D]

Yes I agree census ages on any census need to be approached with an open mind. Was just pointing out that the "form" was to round down rather than up - I've been caught out too many times to presume anything 

[Andrea64]

So, let me see if I have this correct:
John Bramley and Juliet (Julia) Bouchere married 03/09/1798
Children:
  Sarah 09/09/1799
  Richard 25/11/1800
  Charlotte 11/09/1802
+Elizabeth 24/6/1804
  Ann 16/10/1806
  Harriet 16/12/1813
  Walter 21/01/1811
  Harriet 01/11/1815 (first Harriet died?)
   
Elizabeth Bramley married Thomas Tipper 31/12/1822 Saint Mary, Nottingham. Thomas Tipper not from Nottingham? Thomas Tipper occupation: Lace Maker, Cordwainer
Children:
  Sarah
  Jane
  Elizabeth 20/01/1828 Christening in Radford
  Maria
  Thomas 16/09/1832 died 02/12/1832
  Julia 26/01/1834 Christening in Lenton
  Edward
  Thomas 17/01/1836 Christening in Lenton
+Robert 26/08/1839 Christening
  Frederick 28/08/1843
  Mary Ann 12/10/1846
Please check what I have. Any way of finding parents of Thomas Tipper? Not sure where he was born. Also would like to find information on Robert's wife Salina born in Smethwick. I don't know her maiden name.
Thank you all for this information!

Andrea