Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?

[CaroleW]

Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   

but on a death record it startes that his birth is 10th January 1927

Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

[DavidG02]

Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   

Especially Wales

[KellyMarie1992]

Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   

Especially Wales

I have an even harder one soon Jones married a Williams in Wales

[KellyMarie1992]

Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   

but on a death record it startes that his birth is 10th January 1927

Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

TBH I find that a little rude. - I found the death on ancestry under the name Jack Jones as Evan was known as Jack I susspected he could of possibly changed his name to this (due to not finding any Evan Jack Jones) but I'm unsure as to if this is correct or not. The one that is for 1997 is for a Evan John Jones not Evan Jack and is in Neath instead of Kingston.

[ThrelfallYorky]

It seems there's quite a lot of speculative material here, that shows the dangers of following what Online trees say, unless you yourself have the proof. That's not, by the way, intended as a rude comment at all, but rather the feeling I've got after reading carefully the pages, and trying to chart it out, and I think that's rather what CaroleW - who I've personally found very accurate and helpful in the past - intended. I hope you don't object to my first sentence here, but that is my impression.

I wish you the best of luck in this search - if Mum has dementia, she may not be able to help you, but there may still be other relatives, with documentation that can help you build up a chart of KNOWN facts, and perhaps agencies such as the Salvation Army may then be able better to work from that starting point?
People with online trees are often reluctant to provide documentation to others - usually because they haven't got it, and often because they have taken information themselves at face value from other trees.
I, and others, have had relatives hijacked, re-spoused and given additional / different children, often whilst having real children "snatched" into oblivion that way.
Online sources are a good guide or help - but don't provide all the answers, sadly. (I too have been chasing a "Jones" marriage for ages!)
Good luck. I'm sure the finest help is that given on here, for free and for interest. I do hope someone can help you to help your Mum.

[KellyMarie1992]

It seems there's quite a lot of speculative material here, that shows the dangers of following what Online trees say, unless you yourself have the proof. That's not, by the way, intended as a rude comment at all, but rather the feeling I've got after reading carefully the pages, and trying to chart it out, and I think that's rather what CaroleW - who I've personally found very accurate and helpful in the past - intended. I hope you don't object to my first sentence here, but that is my impression.

I wish you the best of luck in this search - if Mum has dementia, she may not be able to help you, but there may still be other relatives, with documentation that can help you build up a chart of KNOWN facts, and perhaps agencies such as the Salvation Army may then be able better to work from that starting point?
People with online trees are often reluctant to provide documentation to others - usually because they haven't got it, and often because they have taken information themselves at face value from other trees.
I, and others, have had relatives hijacked, re-spoused and given additional / different children, often whilst having real children "snatched" into oblivion that way.
Online sources are a good guide or help - but don't provide all the answers, sadly. (I too have been chasing a "Jones" marriage for ages!)
Good luck. I'm sure the finest help is that given on here, for free and for interest. I do hope someone can help you to help your Mum.

I never follow online trees I write all the info down on word documents and try and find things out on my own.

We have already tried salvation army and they can't help because they can't find anything.

don't you mean my grandmother?

[CaroleW]

I have re-read my reply and cannot for the life of me see what is rude about it

Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

If you look at the 2005 death entry for Edward John Jones and look at the entry you found for Jack Jones - you will see they not only have the same date of birth but also exactly the same registration number meaning they are one and the same person but not necessarily the one you are looking for.  The GRO image is not available to check whether it's a possible mis-transcription

There is also this birth

Births March qtr 1927

Edward J Jones mothers maiden name    Baker Kingston (Surrey) 2a   777   

[KellyMarie1992]

I have re-read my reply and cannot for the life of me see what is rude about it

Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

If you look at the 2005 death entry for Edward John Jones and look at the entry you found for Jack Jones - you will see they not only have the same date of birth but also exactly the same registration number meaning they are one and the same person but not necessarily the one you are looking for.  The GRO image is not available to check whether it's a possible mis-transcription

There is also this birth

Births March qtr 1927

Edward J Jones mothers maiden name    Baker Kingston (Surrey) 2a   777

You questioning how I found the info to me makes me feel dumb like I don't know what I'm on about. I find people's families for a living and I thought this page was supposed to help instead it's just making me feel like I can't do my job properly.

I have no idea what you are taking about? How can 2 people with different names be the same person ?? So basically I'm never going to find anything and I should give up that's what it looks like everyone is saying.

[Ladyhawk]

If you look at the 2005 death entry for Edward John Jones and look at the entry you found for Jack Jones - you will see they not only have the same date of birth but also exactly the same registration number meaning they are one and the same person but not necessarily the one you are looking for.  The GRO image is not available to check whether it's a possible mis-transcription

There is also this birth

Births March qtr 1927

Edward J Jones mothers maiden name    Baker Kingston (Surrey) 2a   777

I have no idea what you are taking about?

How can 2 people with different names be the same person ??

CaroleW is referring to these two death entries which are identical apart from their first names,
which seems to suggest they maybe the same person 

Edward John Jones Birth Date:   10 Jan 1927
Date of Registration: Sep 2005
Age at Death:   78
Registration district:   Kington
Inferred County:   Herefordshire, Radnorshire
Register Number:   20D
District and Subdistrict:   518/1
Entry Number:   11

Jack Jones Birth Date:   10 Jan 1927
Date of Registration:   Sep 2005
Age at Death:   78
Registration district:   Kington
Inferred County:   Herefordshire, Radnorshire
Register Number:   20D
District and Subdistrict:   518/1
Entry Number:   11

Can I ask do have the birth certificates of any of the Jones children mentioned to confirm their
actual birth dates - the reason I'm asking that question is there's also this death entry for a
Jack Jones

Jack Jones Birth Date: 8 Jan 1927
Date of Registration:   Aug 1996
Age at Death:   69
Registration district:   Kidderminster
Inferred County:   Worcestershire
Register Number:   29D
District and Subdistrict:   5171
Entry Number:   129