95 Clifton Street Manchester 1911 and 1926

[Harleyqueen]

Hi

Would it be better to research his parents families to see if either had a sibling called Queenie or a name that could have been "corrupted" to Queenie (see link below)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=225805.0

The marriage is on www.lancashirebmd in 1898 - Thomas Douglas Parker to Levina Florence Higginson although freebmd also shows her christian name as Livinia

Hi

Thank you I do have the marriage of the parents,
Their father had no sisters only a half brother
Their mother Lavinia had several sisters ( I think it was four) but none with the name Queenie  I accept it was probably a term of endearment and her daughter was called Young Queenie !!!

I looked at Manchester Baptisms for girls called Queenie hoping to find a Salford connection and found lots and lots so could not narrow it down by that.

I am wondering if any street directories for  Manchester 1926 might show who lived in 95 Clifton  Street I will contact the Manchester Records Office in the New Year.

kind regards

Harleyqueen

[CaroleW]

I think Lavina/Livinia knocked 5yrs off her age

You have her sister in the 1911 census - here's the 1891 entry.  If you check freebmd her middle name was Eliza

James Higginson   45
Annie  33
Livinea E  18
Edith Leah  11
RG12 Piece 2976 Folio 70 Page 42

Births June qtr 1872
Lavinia Eliza Higginson    West Derby  8b   513

Births June qtr 1880   
Edith Leah Higginson  West Derby  8b   634

[CaroleW]

Could "Queenie" be the wife of one of Lavina's brothers?  1881 entry shows Harry b 1867 and Stanley b 1871

However - no Lavina in entry but there is a 3yr old May and a 1yr old Edith
RG11 Piece 3681 Folio 50 Page 12

I think May was Ruth May H b 1877

EDIT - mum Ida died in June qtr 1880 aged 34.  Edith was b June qtr 1880

[Harleyqueen]

Could "Queenie" be the wife of one of Lavina's brothers?  1881 entry shows Harry b 1867 and Stanley b 1871

However - no Lavina in entry but there is a 3yr old May and a 1yr old Edith
RG11 Piece 3681 Folio 50 Page 12

I think May was Ruth May H b 1877

EDIT - mum Ida died in June qtr 1880 aged 34.  Edith was b June qtr 1880

Harry died 1907 Liverpool

Stanley  1916     Liverpool

Cannot find a marriage for either of them

I have  the baptism of 5 of the children on the same day June 29th 1880 St Margarets Anfield

Stanley
Ida M who died  1890
Lily Maud
May
Edith Leah

The mother was Ida  who as you say died 1880 so I presume Annie was a step mother if indeed they married

Thanks

[california dreamin]

Hi harleyqueen

Just been having a little look at a couple of things for you. I'd put money on 'Queenie' being the Liverpool term of endearment (a bit like the northern expression 'our kid' being used when someone speaks about their brother) and not the Auntie's real name.  I know the name Queenie can be a proper name but in this instance, mmm...I don't think so.

I think Queenie could be the sister that lived with the family in 1911- Edith Higginson.  I've looked up a marriage and found one in Salford in 1913 and there is an Edith Higginson marrying a James Shaylor.  They appear in 1939 living in Urmston and strangely enough Alexander & his wife Edith also live in Urmston.

Can I just clarify where 95 Clifton Street was?  Salford, Manchester, Barton on Irwell?

[Harleyqueen]

Hi harleyqueen

Just been having a little look at a couple of things for you. I'd put money on 'Queenie' being the Liverpool term of endearment (a bit like the northern expression 'our kid' being used when someone speaks about their brother) and not the Auntie's real name.  I know the name Queenie can be a proper name but in this instance, mmm...I don't think so.

I think Queenie could be the sister that lived with the family in 1911- Edith Higginson.  I've looked up a marriage and found one in Salford in 1913 and there is an Edith Higginson marrying a James Shaylor.  They appear in 1939 living in Urmston and strangely enough Alexander & his wife Edith also live in Urmston.

Can I just clarify where 95 Clifton Street was?  Salford, Manchester, Barton on Irwell?

Thank you for the reply

I got the address from the marriage certificate of Alexander & Edith  they got married at St Georges Hulme Manchester  so I do not know if its Salford , Manchester , or Barton on Irwell

Leslie Stanley Humphrey Parker spent his life in Salford

The marriage you found sounds promising, Just looked on line and Urmston appears to be about 8 miles from Salford

I also think Queenie is a term of endearment rather than a given name but who knows

Many thanks for your help

Kind regards

Harleyqueen

[california dreamin]

Hi harleyqueen

Yes, Urmston is v. close.  However, there seem to be more than one Clifton Street in and around Manchester, Salford & Stretford - Leave it with me

CD

[KGarrad]

I have a Queenie born in 1915 in my tree?

I tried a search on FreeBMD?
There were 6271 Queenie registrations between 1906 and 1916 - so quite a popular name.

[california dreamin]

Hi harleyqueen,

Okay, not great news.  I've had a look for 95 Clifton Street, Manchester on the ER's at Central.  There are three Clifton Street's in Manchester: -  Municipal Wards within Withington, Crumpsall and Miles Platting.  Crumpsall & Miles Platting are in North Manchester so I did not check them,  but that is not to say he did not live in North Manchester.  The house numbers on Clifton Street in Withington did not go as high as # 95. Sorry. My feeling is that he must have been living at a Clifton Street in Salford.  For these ER's you would need to check with Salford Local Studies Library they are not kept at Central. If you were planning to visit you have to book an appointment as they are only open something like 1 day a week due to staff shortages.

Looking at the 1939 Register index - Alexander Douglas is in Urmston in 1939 and Leslie SH is in Stretford. Both these are South Manchester. So I guess this Queenie must have lived locally ?
Also, I have revisited the information to do with the Auntie, Edith LEAH Higginson.  The marriage I found for an Edith Higginson and James Shaylor is not correct.  That Edith is more than likely Edith EMILY Higginson b. 1887 Barton on Irwell (which is Salford).  Shaylor & Higginson only seem to have one son: William. So this definitely doesn't match your information.

However, there is a marriage in 1911 for an Edith L Higginson and a William Smith (sorry about than    )  West Derby, Register office or Registrar attended  so that cert. might be worth buying. Trouble is looking for any children for this couple is tricky partly because of the Smith name and partly because I am not sure (if or when) they left West Derby for the Salford/Manchester area.
I would just like to suggest however,  the following:  I have just looked at the marriage certificate for  Alexander Parker and Edith Skellon. (Note the church although in Manchester is on the boarder with Salford) I notice that Edith says she lived at LORN St.  I've looked this up on a map and there is a LORNE Street in Salford and nearby is a CLIFFORD St. So I wonder when you get a chance to check the ER's for Salford if you might need to consider also looking for Clifford Street as well as a Clifton Street? I can't find a Clifton Street in Salford on a modern map but that's not to say there wasn't one in 1926!

So sadly we are still left with your original problem of who was Queenie!  Sorry my search was not fruitful!

Kind regards,
CD

PS - I've done a search on the 1939 register (just for the heck of it) for a Queenie in Salford!  There are 9.  The oldest dob is 1904 the youngest is 1917.  None are the right age for your 'Queenie'.