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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 03 January 16 11:59 GMT (UK) »
My family history narrative is recorded in a series of Word documents, Andrew, one for each generation starting at Generation A (my parents) and working backwards through generation B (my grandparents), generation C (my great grandparents) and so forth.

Each grandparent has a unique identifier code (A1 is my father; A2 is my mother; B1 is my paternal grandfather; B2 is my paternal grandmother; B3 is my maternal grandfather; B4 is my maternal grandmother; and so on through the generations).

In the narrative for each generation, there is a separate heading for each of the ancestors I have been able to identify, beneath which I record all of the information I have been able to gather about them, all footnoted with source references.

I have no difficulty including what you call "non-data". Typically, I will introduce this with "According to family tradition, ..." and I will then footnote that with details of who told it to me, and when. If possible, I will look for some hard information to corroborate it. E.g. my Great Great Grandfather Joseph Oakey was, according to family tradition, a delivery driver (horse-drawn vehicles) who died when he fell from the box seat and was crushed by the wheels of his own cart. I have been able to find a record of the inquest into his death in June 1896 which corroborates this in all material particulars (save that it was a van, not a cart ...). Other family tradition is not so easily corroborated, but it still deserves its place in the narrative and is still included for what it is worth, footnoted accordingly.

Hearsay evidence is still evidence, not "non-data"; and provided it is recognized for what it is and treated with appropriate care as befits hearsay evidence, I see no reason why it should not be included in the narrative.
All identified names up to and including my great x5 grandparents: Abbot Andrews Baker Blenc(h)ow Brothers Burrows Chambers Clifton Cornwell Escott Fisher Foster Frost Giddins Groom Hardwick Harris Hart Hayho(e) Herman Holcomb(e) Holmes Hurley King-Spooner Martindale Mason Mitchell Murphy Neves Oakey Packman Palmer Peabody Pearce Pettit(t) Piper Pottenger Pound Purkis Rackliff(e) Richardson Scotford Sherman Sinden Snear Southam Spooner Stephenson Varing Weatherley Webb Whitney Wiles Wright

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 03 January 16 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Hearsay evidence is still evidence, not "non-data"; and provided it is recognized for what it is and treated with appropriate care as befits hearsay evidence, I see no reason why it should not be included in the narrative.
Neither do I.  By 'non-data' I meant something that can't be plotted on a timeline, or otherwise quantified.  Often the only confirmation one can get is from a newspaper archive or suchlike, if the event had been newsworthy.  Family hearsay has the inherent snag that it can suffer from Chinese whispers if it is more than first-hand.

It was said that my gt-grandfather Liversidge (or Luersdge as the 1891 enumerator seemed to have written) had met his early death in some way connected with the Penmon lifeboat, while his death certificate says typhoid.  However there is a press report that he had been rescued while fishing from an islet off Penmon when the tide rose - I guess this may be the source of the hearsay, but who knows?
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 03 January 16 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Ahhh ... there you have it. I don't try to plot things on a timeline. I just write a free-text narrative. I try to adopt a common framework so far as possible (not least because this makes cross-referencing corrections that much easier); but beyond this the structure is very fluid, and can be adapted as necessary to allow whatever information I come upon to be incorporated.
All identified names up to and including my great x5 grandparents: Abbot Andrews Baker Blenc(h)ow Brothers Burrows Chambers Clifton Cornwell Escott Fisher Foster Frost Giddins Groom Hardwick Harris Hart Hayho(e) Herman Holcomb(e) Holmes Hurley King-Spooner Martindale Mason Mitchell Murphy Neves Oakey Packman Palmer Peabody Pearce Pettit(t) Piper Pottenger Pound Purkis Rackliff(e) Richardson Scotford Sherman Sinden Snear Southam Spooner Stephenson Varing Weatherley Webb Whitney Wiles Wright

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 03 January 16 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Where possible, I record family stories and hearsay in the notes of an individual on my family tree. An example is my uncle Eric, who according to family legend dropped dead one day at my auntie's dinner table. I was perplexed by this, as they also said he died of sleeping sickness, from the tsetse fly. On viewing his death certificate, he died of pulmonary TB, at an infectious diseases hospital. When I asked around the family a bit more, apparently it was someone else who died at the dinner table.
I recorded the family tale in his notes, and amended it when I discovered the truth. I left in the story of the tsetse fly, as the symptoms are almost identical to TB apparently. Whether it was actually a fly bite, or perhaps a doctor had mentioned the similarities, we will never know. That is why I recorded the tale.
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #40 on: Monday 04 January 16 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Dudley borough council's website has a good search facility for finding graves

http://www2.dudley.gov.uk/burial_records/regenq.asp

It won't tell you who's related to who which you can get from looking at a gravestone, but you can see if more than one person was buried in the same grave and make your own deductions

If anyone else knows of similar search facilities, please share!


This is the site I use I've not found a lot of people, but every little find is a gem.  This is for Liverpool.

http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/

I just found a "new" site for Liverpool, well it's new for me anyway and I've had great success today in finding one particular missing lot, 5 all in the same grave with a baby I didn't know about.....

http://www.liverpoolcemetery.co.uk/
Williams, Owens, Pritchard, Povall, Banks, Brown.

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Just found this which somebody mentioned in another thread


http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/SheffieldIndexersSiteMap_Index.html
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 22:01 GMT (UK) »
A fantastic alternative source for those with South Australian ancestors is the database of the Adelaide Hospital records. Not only do you get an age, some medical info, but often the ship they came to SA on. A very valuable resource.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 07 January 16 14:08 GMT (UK) »
A really interesting thread.
Thanks to all contributors.
Lots of avenues to follow up.
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #44 on: Monday 18 January 16 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Sometimes you can find unexpected ideas in odd places.

One of the sites I go to is Archive.org and look up old books. Now while this might not help me I am sure it is an alternative for others who seemingly had someone disappear.

I found ''Register of Change of Names During the War by Deed Poll'' - a list of people noted in the London Gazette ( newspaper) who for some reason or other ( usually long term Germanic names to English) have changed names

I have also downloaded a few Hearth tax books - 1 from Leicester and another from Suffolk. Hopefully find a name that links 1 to another.

Genealogy-Its a family thing

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