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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 02 January 16 11:19 GMT (UK) »
I have had some wonderful results from wills. My great x6 grandfather James Garnham is a case in point. I had traced back to my great x4 grandfather Ambrose Frost, I had his baptism so I knew his mother's name was Sarah. A distant relative who posts here gave me her maiden name as Garnham, and various other details which I was having difficulty verifying for myself. But a random internet search for "Ambrose Frost" took me to a now-defunct site with what purported to be a transcript of the will of James Garnham, the maternal grandfather of Ambrose Frost. I went to Bury St Edmunds to see the will for myself - and the bequest was everything a family historian could ever hope for!! "I also give to my grandson Ambrose Frost the son of my daughter Sarah the wife of William Frost the sum of five pounds to be paid to him on his attaining the age of twenty one years".

You can't get a much clearer statement of the family relationship than that!!

I have quite a few ancestors who were licensed victuallers, and I have found the annual justices' recognisances a valuable source of information as to when they moved from one public house to another.

The register of apprenticeships has given me a couple of useful leads, too.

I've found evidence of a number of bankruptcies amongst my Victiorian ancestors in the London Gazette. This is now fully digitized and will show up in the results of a search against the name of your bankrupt ancestor. Not much use if it's John Smith that you're looking for; but Edward Martindale is another matter ... and the fact of the bankruptcy helps to explain all sorts of things. Sudden disappearance from one location only to reappear in another, using a different name, for example.

The Old Bailey records are also online, and make for very interesting reading. Transcripts of every trial, including the evidence given, is there and searchable. Witnesses' names, addresses and occupations are all faithfully recorded. I had an ancestor with a distinctive name (Robert Packman) who was a City of London policeman in the Victorian era. A search against his name yielded a directory of the 60 odd trials in which he gave evidence; from which a very clear picture of his career emerges.

As the National Newspaper Library is digitizing its collection, it is worth doing random internet searches against the names of your more obscure ancestors from time to time. Interesting reports come up. Now I know just why the family had photographs of my great great grandmother Emma Hardwick, but knew absolutely nothing about her husband (judicial separation in 1907; luridly reported in the local newspaper of the time, along with the sorry tale of his subsequent conviction for breaking into my great grandfather's house, where she was living after the separation, and stealing her money and smashing her sewing machine).

The Great Fire of Potton in 1783 has left us with a quasi-census of the town, in the form of the accounts of the trustees of the relief fund which can be consulted at the Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Records Service. It lists all the claimants, the amount of their loss, whether or not their claim was accepted and in which class, and the amount of the relief paid to them (16s. in the £ in the case of Class 1 claimants, which is pretty good relief).

Still searching, still finding interesting little odds and sods all over the place ...
All identified names up to and including my great x5 grandparents: Abbot Andrews Baker Blenc(h)ow Brothers Burrows Chambers Clifton Cornwell Escott Fisher Foster Frost Giddins Groom Hardwick Harris Hart Hayho(e) Herman Holcomb(e) Holmes Hurley King-Spooner Martindale Mason Mitchell Murphy Neves Oakey Packman Palmer Peabody Pearce Pettit(t) Piper Pottenger Pound Purkis Rackliff(e) Richardson Scotford Sherman Sinden Snear Southam Spooner Stephenson Varing Weatherley Webb Whitney Wiles Wright

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 02 January 16 12:41 GMT (UK) »
We are told to talk to those we know before they pass on.

Alternatively you can do as I did today - I went to a funeral in the hope of talking to my dads cousin some more . Unfortunately he is now confined to a nursing home , as well as his sister , whose husbands funeral it was .

While I didn't get the information I wanted, I added some more anecdotes to my collection of other families.

It is an alternative source :)
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« Reply #29 on: Saturday 02 January 16 17:49 GMT (UK) »
We are told to talk to those we know before they pass on.

Alternatively you can do as I did today - I went to a funeral in the hope of talking to my dads cousin some more . Unfortunately he is now confined to a nursing home , as well as his sister , whose husbands funeral it was .

While I didn't get the information I wanted, I added some more anecdotes to my collection of other families.

It is an alternative source :)

I did speak to my 87 year old mother over the Christmas holidays and she was able to fill in a few details and also confirm that what I have found is correct as she remembers a lot of the extended family, I took my laptop to show her.

We also discussed how her father was a fireman in Liverpool in WW2 (which I already knew but I thought he was just a volunteer), he was in the thick of it with the massive bombings in the city and she was evacuated with her brother to North Wales (which I have always known) but I didn't know that the children of firemen sometimes slept in the fire station when the blitzing was really bad, she said she loved to do that and a fireman cook/chef would make a big tin tray of syrup sponge pudding which they also loved, as treats like this were very rare due to rationing of course.

Also that her father had an accident falling off the back of the fire engine as this was in the days when they all hung on the outside and clanged the bell, she said they used to wear heavy brass helmets and now I understand why my grand-dad was so particular about his appearance with a knife crease in his trousers and highly polished shoes as I believe it was run on military lines.

Of course this didn't help to smash any of my brickwalls but it was an interesting insight into grand-dad who was the strong, silent type.  8)
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 02 January 16 20:52 GMT (UK) »
We are told to talk to those we know before they pass on.

Alternatively you can do as I did today - I went to a funeral in the hope of talking to my dads cousin some more . Unfortunately he is now confined to a nursing home , as well as his sister , whose husbands funeral it was .

While I didn't get the information I wanted, I added some more anecdotes to my collection of other families.

It is an alternative source :)

Being the youngest son of the youngest son of 10, funerals are where I have met most of my family!
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« Reply #31 on: Saturday 02 January 16 21:30 GMT (UK) »
This topic is great ....... and to hear ideas utilized by others introduces other methods I had never thought about.
I would like to add something that I use that could be useful to others and that I have benefited from.
Most of my research is is and around London and Middlesex and I knew that my direct line of ancestors lived in *Leg Alley* but was unable to pinpoint it.
Being an insignificant alley ..... and there were loads of them it was darned nigh impossible so I thought outside the box and used the Old Bailey site;
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp
and my entering ' Leg Alley' into the Old Bailey' search engine it came up with dozens of instances which pinpointed the alley as being between Long Acre and Little Hart Street which enabled me to find a map which shows how very close it was to Covent Garden where a number of my ancestors were employed.
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 03 January 16 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Dudley borough council's website has a good search facility for finding graves

http://www2.dudley.gov.uk/burial_records/regenq.asp

It won't tell you who's related to who which you can get from looking at a gravestone, but you can see if more than one person was buried in the same grave and make your own deductions

If anyone else knows of similar search facilities, please share!
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« Reply #33 on: Sunday 03 January 16 10:28 GMT (UK) »

Of course this didn't help to smash any of my brickwalls but it was an interesting insight into grand-dad who was the strong, silent type.  8)

Smashing brickwalls may be satisfying - but for me, the greatest interest in family history lies not just in finding out WHO my ancestors were, but in finding out as much as I can about them and the lives they led.

For me, the sort of information you obtained there would be absolute gold dust - worth far more than a brick wall or two brought tumbling down :)
All identified names up to and including my great x5 grandparents: Abbot Andrews Baker Blenc(h)ow Brothers Burrows Chambers Clifton Cornwell Escott Fisher Foster Frost Giddins Groom Hardwick Harris Hart Hayho(e) Herman Holcomb(e) Holmes Hurley King-Spooner Martindale Mason Mitchell Murphy Neves Oakey Packman Palmer Peabody Pearce Pettit(t) Piper Pottenger Pound Purkis Rackliff(e) Richardson Scotford Sherman Sinden Snear Southam Spooner Stephenson Varing Weatherley Webb Whitney Wiles Wright

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« Reply #34 on: Sunday 03 January 16 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Dudley borough council's website has a good search facility for finding graves

http://www2.dudley.gov.uk/burial_records/regenq.asp

It won't tell you who's related to who which you can get from looking at a gravestone, but you can see if more than one person was buried in the same grave and make your own deductions

If anyone else knows of similar search facilities, please share!


This is the site I use I've not found a lot of people, but every little find is a gem.  This is for Liverpool.

http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 03 January 16 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Smashing brickwalls may be satisfying - but for me, the greatest interest in family history lies not just in finding out WHO my ancestors were, but in finding out as much as I can about them and the lives they led.

For me, the sort of information you obtained there would be absolute gold dust - worth far more than a brick wall or two brought tumbling down
The difficulty comes in deciding how to record this 'non-data' for posterity to enjoy.  Will you write a short story?
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