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Offline Guy Etchells

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Alternative sources
« on: Wednesday 16 December 15 20:10 GMT (UK) »
I have been thinking occasionally of the thread What else is there left to find on our ancestors? And wonder how many people us grave registers as a clue to confirming relationships or even confirming husbands in earlier generations.

Take for instance a collateral line branching from my Etchells lineage.
The couple Richard Etchells & Elizabeth Taylor had 6 children 4 boys and 2 girls, the boys were relatively easy to trace due to them keeping the same name but the girls were more difficult due to them having relatively common names and changing their surnames on marriage.
I knew that Elizabeth had died in 1904 and Richard on 21 Feb. 1905 on looking at their burial plot records I discovered that as I suspected they were buried in the same plot in Philips Park Cemetery, Manchester, plot c 1465.

The grave plot register shows 5 burials in this plot.
Elizabeth Etchells (bur. 20/10/1904), Richard Etchells (bur. 24/02/1905), my ancestor and his wife but also Elizabeth Hayes (bur. 27/09/1906), Alice Hayes (bur. 26/06/1922 ), James Hayes (bur. 19/11/1923).
Could Alice Hayes be one of their girls Alice Etchells.
A quick check on the GRO marriage index confirmed this could be a possibility as an Alice Etchells married a James Hayes in 1899 and what is more a child Elizabeth Hayes was born in the same district in 1901 possibly the Elizabeth Hayes in the same plot.

A check on the GRO index confirmed the possibility that this could be the case as an Elizabeth Hayes aged 5 died in the same district in the 3rd quarter of 1906.
The 1901 census does not contain a lot of information though it does show a James Hayes and Alice Hayes in the correct district as man and wife with no children and the 1911 shows by then they had a further 3 children and one deceased child, further confirmation of the above suppositions.

All the above (with the exception of the census material) is freely available online at the present time, but it is all supposition until money is spent on buying certificates and in the case of this grave register buying credits from Manchester Council and census credits (or a subscription to a site that hosts the census) to access further details of each of the individuals or taking a trip to view the register locally.
This is just one instance of how often unused alternative sources (plot registers) may help prove relationships.

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Guy
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 21:10 GMT (UK) »
While I don't go out of my way to utilize them as much as someone else would , what I have found on the odd occasion is that extra piece that links 2 people.

I had one census record which named the family and a ''servant''. It wasn't until I spotted a headstone/register where the servant was buried in the same plot , that further digging showed a relationship. Nephew. Which gave me another twig to follow

It also helps in the smaller type cemeteries family units are buried , if not next to , nearby.

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Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Years ago we had visitors from Australia come to us looking for their ancestors. Using church records (communicants roll, pew lists, graveyard map, etc.) and school records we were able to connect their ancestor to the place they had lived, to the correct family and thence to living relatives.
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 December 15 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Grave registers are great if you know where to find them... I've found some by accident when googling names of relatives, but apart from that they're a resource I've really underused.  Like you say Guy, you can uncover several members of the same family in one go. It saves buying lots of death certificates which may not be the right ones.

I use newspaper obituaries to confirm deaths I'm unsure of... I'm sure lots of researchers have neglected the newspaper archives. Often the list of mourners will uncover marriages of daughters. Once you work out which search terms to put in (not easy!) and if there are newspapers from the part of the country you're interested in, a lot of loose ends can be tied up. By piecing together the death index, probate records, burials, electoral rolls and newspaper archives, I've managed to find out when the majority of my relatives died. And now we've to the 1939 register too!
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 December 15 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Newspapers are my first alternative. We are lucky here to have a free to search facility with Trove. I also subscribed to one particular site because of its newspaper archives.

Newspapers and especially Obits have given me the next step so many times , as well as adding interesting stories. :)
Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 31 December 15 08:58 GMT (UK) »
I have used some cemetery records, but find they are highly variable in quality, location and availability.  Some charge (exorbitantly) for the info.  Some are held onsite, some digital, some old paper, some in municipal offices, some in someone's home.

At one cemetery in Ontario, I was advised by the fellow living on an adjoining property that I should contact so-and-so, who would come over and open the records for me.  This would not take long, I was assured, as he lived down the street. 

Said keeper arrived, walking slowly and seemingly in pain, and opened up his little office/hut, where all the burial records were still kept, going back to the beginning in mid-19thC although the earliest ones had never been kept.  They were the only copies, so, if that little hut burned down on Hallowe'en, well, too bad.

He found most of what I was looking for, but one grave remained problematic as it was not clear how many people were buried there and one person we wanted was missing.

No problem.  He got out his dowsing rod and we all trooped over to the grave in question.  Problem solved.

He says he often uses his dowsing rod when it is not clear where precisely a new grave should be dug in order not to disturb the existing ones.  He finds this very reliable, but says it doesn't work for everyone. It's a gift, he told us - one we were grateful for!.
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 31 December 15 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Our cemetery here in Oswesty shropshire has put its burials online and I have found quite a few people I have been wondering about, confirming relationships and throwing up a couple more mysteries too but we all love more mysteries even though we sometimes moan about them.


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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 31 December 15 22:08 GMT (UK) »

Newspapers can be a goldmine of information. 

Marriages - I have found several family members marriages reported, usually between the 2 wars.   The reports often give a list of the wedding gifts and the names of those who gave them. Careful checking can find marriages or confirm names of siblings.

Deaths - again lists of mourners.

Checking just prior to and after the 1st WW,  I found that seven of my Knapp family had served.  One poor chap was invalided three times, once his tobacco tin deflecting the shrapnel...this kind of information is gold dust  :D
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Re: Alternative sources
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 31 December 15 22:20 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Guy; burial/grave registers can often provide extra information not found on headstones. I virtually created a family tree from the Balaklava, South Australia, burial register.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.