Author Topic: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE  (Read 14011 times)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 15 December 15 07:57 GMT (UK) »
Here is the death of Eric PLANE in NSW

3835/1907  PLANE Eric F
Parents Thomas H & Mary
At ALBURY

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Bear in mind the first birth to Thomas H PANE and Harriet HORTON was in 1908 in Victoria ::)
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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 13:05 GMT (UK) »

Deduced from NSW BDM online ..... Eric and Dorothy Born 31 Dec 1906 


Just wanted to point out that the twins' birth date is not stated on the NSW BDM site, nor can it be confirmed using confined search parameters on the date. While it is usually possible to find the exact date using a binary search method, but for some reason there's a handful of records that will be found regardless of the date range searched for (as long as it's within the right year). Unfortunately, the Plane twins fall into this category.

You can, however, use the binary search to deduce that Eric's date of death was 23 Apr 1907.

Cheers,  :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Toban,   I deduced the twins birthdate using NSW BDM online.  And since reading your post, I have again deduced the twins birthdate using NSW BDM online.

The birthdate is 31 December 1906.    Because 31 December is the end of the calendar year 1906 the 'to' date you need to enter is 1 January 1907.     :)

The NSW BDM online search option needs the 'from' date to be different from and prior to the 'to' date.   :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 20:29 GMT (UK) »
Are you saying that regardless of the date from and to, that the birthdate can be any date in 1906?

IF that is the case, then I will contact one of my rellies (retired NSW BDM senior officer) and ask him for any clues re that.   Last time something like that cropped up, it was basically a late registration, but that was for a marriage.   

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes, regardless of what start and end dates you put in for them, a result will always be returned. You can confirm this if you select 'No' in the "Date of Event Range" box, thus allowing you to put in a specific date. Any date in 1906 put in that box will return a match for Eric Plane or Dorothy Plane. Furthermore, you can confirm the 23/04/1907 death date by putting that in the box when searching for deaths for Eric. Nothing is returned if another date is entered.

It's a weird anomaly, and I don't know the reason for it. Just that a small percentage of BDM entries are affected by it, usually in the early 1900s [of course, most of the early church records on there, baptisms, e.g., will also give a result for any date, presumably because the birth date is not necessarily given on a baptism].  :)

Also, something to keep in mind for the future, if a child is born on 31 December, their birth is probably going to be registered in the new year, and so will have a different registration year to their birth year.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Well-spotted Toban  :)  And well-explained.  :)

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« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 21:38 GMT (UK) »
I have made phone call. 

 :) It is important to remember that the basis for the current online index actually goes back to the volunteer work done in the 1930s. 
 :) It is also important to remember that entries prior to WWI are based on verbal information, particularly for births.   
 :) While the clerk at Albury Court House would be familiar with registering births, the parent will not be as knowledgeable. 
 :) The registrations were MEANT to be sent through to Sydney each quarter, so Oct, Nov, Dec were sent through in January.  (Jan/Feb/March in April etc) (Some were sent annually, others were not sent at all.... and were NOT actually formally found until the 1980s when all court house registers were recalled to Sydney)
 :) However, when the volunteers in the 1930s were preparing the indexes, some volunteers only wrote down the year of birth, and so the current index for these ones allows for ANY date in that YEAR ....   
 :) Back in the 1970s NSW BDM went EDP and the date of birth and year of registration were both keyed in.  NOT all the cards 'worked' .... some were jammed in the process, some fell, some tore, some had flaws in the actual card .....  Sometimes only the year (four digits) were read.
 :) When the 1930s index was brought across for the EDP processing, some entries were lost/destroyed/partly destroyed.
 :) It is a miracle that any info survived, as there has always been a funding issue. 
 :) If you find a date of birth coming up for the ECRs then that's because back in the 1930s those volunteers found it on the originals they were indexing.  But it is often more reliable at present to check the familysearch historic records index transcriptions to obtain the exact dates.

Sorry for diverting off the OPs topic with these explanations.

Cheers,  JM 
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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 21:52 GMT (UK) »
What interesting information JM and thanks to you and Toban, I have certainly learnt something today. :)

Kellymasters, the OP of this thread has not chatted with us for while despite having been online.

I wonder if our information continues to be of benefit in the inquiry. :)

Sue


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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 22 December 15 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks JM!

What knowledgable folks you have on the end of your telephone lines!

T