Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE

[kellymasters]

Thomas and Harriet had an ex-nuptial child in 1908.

A George Edward HEFFERNAN and Mary had a child in NZ in 1910. 

I would say that George and Mary went to NZ together.

Debra 


Yes, to the children......still unsure as to whether they came together or separately to NZ

Harriet HORTON had a birth in 1903

HORTON Arth Raymond
Father Unknown
Mother Harrt Jessamine HORTON
Birth Place ELMORE
Year 1903
Reg. Number 2834
 

This Victorian birth fits quite well with the NZ death of George Edward

HEFFERNAN George Edward
Father George Johnston
Mother Christina ROBINSON
Birth Place CAUL
Year 1881
Reg Number 8031

Death
1953/29242 HEFFERNAN George Edward
Aged    71Y

Sue

Yes to the NZ death, and NZ birth. Thank you for reconfirming this for me

[kellymasters]

Here is Harriet's death

PLANE Harriet Jessamine
Father Chas Horton
Mother Eliza  PINSHON
Death Place HEATHCOTE
Age 70
Year 1950
Reg Number 16999
 
Sue

Thank you, yes I had this one

[kellymasters]

 

This Victorian birth fits quite well with the NZ death of George Edward

HEFFERNAN George Edward
Father George Johnston
Mother Christina ROBINSON
Birth Place CAUL
Year 1881
Reg Number 8031

Death
1953/29242 HEFFERNAN George Edward
Aged    71Y

Sue

Yes, this is the correct birth.

When Christiana HEFFERNAN died in 1918, she left a will which is digitised.
There was a bequest to her son George Edward HEFFERNAN of Mareter, New Zealand, rail employee.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

Sue

ADDING
I cannot find a sighting of this Mrs HEFFERNAN (Christiana) in the vicinity of Elmore in 1902

Thanks Sue, This is all new to me.

[kellymasters]

Thomas PLANE also died at Heathcote and both are buried in the Cemetery there.



Surname PLANE  Thos Hy
Father Plane Thos Hy
Mother Jane  HAINES
Death Place HTHCOTE
Age 71
Year 1937
Reg Number 16452

At this link you can order a photo of the headstone.  You will note on the list there are others of the family there too.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Heathcote.htm

Sue

Gosh you have been busy, Thanks

[kellymasters]

I do find it weird that a HEFFERNAN appears on my great grandfathers birth record and later his mother leaves his father Thomas PLANE and married a HEFFERNAN.

Perhaps you have information to the contrary, but I do not see  a marriage between PLANE/GALLAGHER and HEFFERNAN. Where and when do you believe it took place?

Maybe it was after the death of Mary's husband, Thomas, in 1937, so not accessible in the NZ BMD.

I can see from records the presence in Australia of the sons Frederick James and Charles Eric PLANE. Perhaps she did not take them when she left with HEFFERNAN.

Do you know what happened to Henrietta?
It will be interesting to hear whether the information we have found is of interest to you
 

Sue

HI Sue,

yes a marraige took place in Napier, NZ after the death of Thomas PLANE. 9 Jan 1939.

I wish I could find a shipping record that showed when they came to NZ and if they came together, but I haven't yet.

The other interesting point is I have not yet found any electoral rolls, with Mary PLANE/HEFFERNAN either.

Only two children or so I have been found (Dorothy and Edward George Kitchener PLANE came to NZ). The rest stayed in Australia. Why I am not sure.

And as for Henrietta, I dnt know anymore other than her birth, at this stage.....

[sparrett]

 Mary and Thomas Plane had a set of twins Dorothy and Eric PLANE in 1906, so Mary had to have come to NZ sometime after that. I know she brought Dorothy (known in NZ on her marriage cert as  Doris Jean PLANE) and my great great Grandfather Edward George Kitchener PLANE with her when she came. She left the other children behind (At least so the story goes, i have found nothing to prove or disprove).

 

Hi
Good to hear the information is helping.
I do not see a birth of twins in Victoria to the couple in 1906.
Where did you get the the information?

Sue

[~MERLIN~]

Mary and Thomas Plane had a set of twins Dorothy and Eric PLANE in 1906, so Mary had to have come to NZ sometime after that. I know she brought Dorothy (known in NZ on her marriage cert as  Doris Jean PLANE) and my great great Grandfather Edward George Kitchener PLANE with her when she came.

I do not see a birth of twins in Victoria to the couple in 1906.
Where did you get the the information?

Births are registered in NSW 

Eric F PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31610
Dorothy J PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31611
Parents: Thomas H & Mary

[majm]

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Births are registered in NSW 

Eric F PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31610
Dorothy J PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31611
Parents: Thomas H & Mary

Deduced from NSW BDM online ..... Eric and Dorothy Born 31 Dec 1906 

May I suggest if you are considering purchasing the birth certificates, that you order Official Transcriptions rather than the more expensive certificate.  You will get the same information. 
  May I also suggest you get #31611 (Dorothy) as it is numbered next after Eric's.  So,  hopefully it will be for the younger of twins.   NSW BDM birth registrations include details of the OLDER siblings .... so Dorothy's should include details for Eric.....  (two registrations for the price of one !)  It should also include the name and relationship of the person registering the birth, and details about Thomas H and Mary
   
Here's the NSW BDM live link to their Official Transcription Agents.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription

What to expect on a NSW birth registration:   
  Full given name/s, sex, date and place of birth (sometimes includes day of week, not just date and sometimes includes full street address/rural property name, not just town or village.)
  Mum's details full name and maiden name (and perhaps any other former names), age, occupation, place of birth.
  Dad's details - same depth of detail as for Mum .... so his full name, age, occupation, place of birth.
  Date and place of parents' marriage.
  Previous children of the relationship (name and age of living, number and gender of deceased).
  Name and relationship of informant,
  Name of Midwife/Doctor and any others present at the birth.

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

Was Thomas Henry PLANE's marriage to Mary GALLAGHER his second?

5846/1889 PLANE Thomas H
BILLMAN Maria E
MOAMA

A child in Victoria

PLANE  George William Henry
Father Thomas Henry
Mother Maria Emily BILLMAN
Birth Place ROCHESTER
Year 1890
Reg. Number16926

Death of Maria
PLANE  Maria
Father BILLMAN Wm
Mother Maria WHITE
Age 20
At Sandhurst
Year1890
Reg. Number 13779

Sue