Author Topic: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE  (Read 13993 times)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:03 GMT (UK) »
Mrs Heffernan is the name of the second person who assisted with the birth.  She is either the Occupier or simply another witness.    There was no Accoucheur,  Mrs Stokes was the Nurse, and Mrs Heffernan was the "Occupier or other Witnesses".

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How weird, .....

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:07 GMT (UK) »
I wonder how/why?

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:08 GMT (UK) »
Interesting - Electoral rolls show George Edward HEFFERNAN, labourer,  lived at Wright St, Elmore in 1903 - no-one else of that surname listed in the same street.  I'm thinking that women did not have to enroll to vote at that time

Thomas Henry PLANE, trapper, and Mary PLANE, home duties, are also shown at Wright St.  There are no house numbers given so cannot tell if these people were all in the same house, or just living in the same street.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:08 GMT (UK) »
I had added to my post, in anticipation of your further question....  :)

Babies were often born at home rather than at a laying in hospital.

Accoucheur .... Google is your friend.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:12 GMT (UK) »
Interesting - Electoral rolls show George Edward HEFFERNAN, labourer,  lived at Wright St, Elmore in 1903 - no-one else of that surname listed in the same street.  I'm thinking that women did not have to enroll to vote at that time

Thomas Henry PLANE, trapper, and Mary PLANE, home duties, are also shown at Wright St.  There are no house numbers given so cannot tell if these people were all in the same house, or just living in the same street.

Judith

Thanks Judith, the more I know the more questions I have,  ....yes it makes me wonder if they were living in the same house? Gosh the kind boggles..... This family has definitely given me many questions :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:14 GMT (UK) »
I had added to my post, in anticipation of your further question....  :)

Babies were often born at home rather than at a laying in hospital.

Accoucheur .... Google is your friend.

Cheers,  JM

Thanks still a retaliative newbie, sometimes forget to use goggle :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:18 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Henry PLANE, trapper and Mary PLANE, hd, still at Wright St, Elmore in 1905 as is George Henry Edward HEFFERNAN.  However electoral rolls are often slow to change addresses etc.
Edit - sorry, wrong name - correct name is George Edward HEFFERNAN (thanks, Debra)

In 1912 Thomas Henry PLANE, labourer is shown at Heathcote - no street names given
Also at Heathcote in 1912 is Harriet Jessmine PLANE.

No relationships are shown on electoral rolls, but on-line public trees suggest that Thomas and Harriet married and were together until he died in Heathcote in 1937 and Harriet died in Heathcote in 1950.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:22 GMT (UK) »
 :)  :)  :)

I am fascinated with the last entry on the page .... Daisy, (TURNBULL) elder of twins,  she, like the other babies on this particular page was Not Present at the registry.   She was born 22 August 1902 and her birth registered 18th October 1902 ....   

  9 days left in August 1902
30 days in Sept 1902
18 days into Oct 1902

57 days after birth ..... what was the time allowed to register a birth in 1902 in Vic ....

Was Daisy's younger twin a boy or a girl ..... 

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 12 December 15 08:23 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Henry PLANE, trapper and Mary PLANE, hd, still at Wright St, Elmore in 1905 as is George Henry HEFFERNAN.  However electoral rolls are often slow to change addresses etc.

In 1912 Thomas Henry PLANE, labourer is shown at Heathcote - no street names given
Also at Heathcote in 1912 is Harriet Jessmine PLANE.

No relationships are shown on electoral rolls, but on-line public trees suggest that Thomas and Harriet married and were together until he died in Heathcote in 1937 and Harriet died in Heathcote in 1950.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I have found no marriage record for Thomas Henry Plane and Harriet. I am a  descendant of Thomas Plane and Mary GALLAGHER.

I do find it weird that a HEFFERNAN appears on my great grandfathers birth record and later his mother leaves his father Thomas PLANE and married a HEFFERNAN.