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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 09:55 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure it's worth getting the birth certificates for the twins Eric and Dorothy, as you already have most of the information that's going to be provided on them from the baptism and Eric's death. The only additional information you'd get is the detail of the marriage and its previous issue, which you already know too.
Save yourself some $$$  ;D

The priest at the baptism or his clerk has entered the wrong name for the father at the twins. The BDM index confirms they are children of Thomas & Mary.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 09:58 GMT (UK) »
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Births are registered in NSW  ;)

Eric F PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31610
Dorothy J PLANE b. 1906 ALBURY #31611
Parents: Thomas H & Mary

Deduced from NSW BDM online ..... Eric and Dorothy Born 31 Dec 1906 

:) May I suggest if you are considering purchasing the birth certificates, that you order Official Transcriptions rather than the more expensive certificate.  You will get the same information. 
 :) May I also suggest you get #31611 (Dorothy) as it is numbered next after Eric's.  So,  hopefully it will be for the younger of twins.   NSW BDM birth registrations include details of the OLDER siblings .... so Dorothy's should include details for Eric.....  :) (two registrations for the price of one !)  It should also include the name and relationship of the person registering the birth, and details about Thomas H and Mary
   
Here's the NSW BDM live link to their Official Transcription Agents.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription

What to expect on a NSW birth registration:   
 :) Full given name/s, sex, date and place of birth (sometimes includes day of week, not just date and sometimes includes full street address/rural property name, not just town or village.)
 :) Mum's details full name and maiden name (and perhaps any other former names), age, occupation, place of birth.
 :) Dad's details - same depth of detail as for Mum .... so his full name, age, occupation, place of birth.
 :) Date and place of parents' marriage.
 :) Previous children of the relationship (name and age of living, number and gender of deceased).
 :) Name and relationship of informant,
 :) Name of Midwife/Doctor and any others present at the birth.

Cheers,  JM

Couldn't wait, just ordered online. Thank you :)

I will let you know the result :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 09:59 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure it's worth getting the birth certificates for the twins Eric and Dorothy, as you already have most of the information that's going to be provided on them from the baptism and Eric's death. The only additional information you'd get is the detail of the marriage and its previous issue, which you already know too.
Save yourself some $$$  ;D

The priest at the baptism or his clerk has entered the wrong name for the father at the twins. The BDM index confirms they are children of Thomas & Mary.

Whoops, was impatient and just ordered it :)

Ah well......

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 10:18 GMT (UK) »
:P Hehehehe, oh well... Let us know what it says!


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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 14:22 GMT (UK) »
However I do have baptsims but they have confused me more  :)

The priest at the baptism or his clerk has entered the wrong name for the father at the twins. The BDM index confirms they are children of Thomas & Mary.

The only thing that the BDM index shows is that the person registering the births has stated the father as Thomas PLANE.  If the mother registered the births then this was the most respectable option.  Life can be difficult when you are married to one person and having the children of another.

I think their father was George Edward HEFFERNAN.  I also have to admit to having doubts about the paternity of Edward George as well.  ::)

Debra  :D 

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 17:35 GMT (UK) »
:P Hehehehe, oh well... Let us know what it says!

I will :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 17:36 GMT (UK) »
However I do have baptsims but they have confused me more  :)

The priest at the baptism or his clerk has entered the wrong name for the father at the twins. The BDM index confirms they are children of Thomas & Mary.

The only thing that the BDM index shows is that the person registering the births has stated the father as Thomas PLANE.  If the mother registered the births then this was the most respectable option.  Life can be difficult when you are married to one person and having the children of another.

I think their father was George Edward HEFFERNAN.  I also have to admit to having doubts about the paternity of Edward George as well.  ::)

Debra  :D

It does make you wonder.....:)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 21:35 GMT (UK) »
 

The priest at the baptism or his clerk has entered the wrong name for the father at the twins. The BDM index confirms they are children of Thomas & Mary.

Well, it strikes me as a strange co-incidence that the clergyman's "error" on the certificates of baptism is showing the two forenames of HEFFERNAN (George Edward) and the surname of Mary at that time PLANE. I agree with Debra.

A sort of merging of the two. ;)

I cannot understand why the registration and the baptism have  different details.

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE
« Reply #71 on: Wednesday 23 December 15 21:41 GMT (UK) »
There are times when it is sensible to obtain both the civil registration and the Church record .... and this is likely to be one of those times  :) 

 :)  :) 

I wonder if the Priest made any margin notes on his local parish register....


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