Walter Frederick ENGLAND

[Janette]

KHP,good to see Miss Puss with her Christmas hat on

Cheers Janette

[spades]

Congratulations on solving your mystery.

Spades

[Aliikai17]

Hi... I know I am about 4 years too late but just wondering if any of you are still around? Not really sure how this site works or if this one is still open?...

I am a granddaughter of Frederick England and Charlotte E England (nee Arbuckle)

Frederick died when my mother was 12 (ish) so our knowledge is pretty small (mine until today basically stopped at him) but I have just spent like 3 hours reading through your forum and filled in a lot of gaps.

Anyway I just wanted to say thank you all so much also was a bit curious where you guys fit into my tree... perhaps we could chat?

Thank you. x

Becca

[Girl Guide]

Hello Becca

Welcome to Rootschat   

Yes I am indeed still around.  The England family is quite large.  Walter England was my great grandfather's brother and emigrated to New Zealand in the early 1900s. 

I have got a lot of information on the family which is tucked away at the moment.  Was there something you particularly wished to know?

Looking at a tree I have, I'm guessing that you are descended from Frederick England born 1922 in Rotorua and died in 1971 in Auckland.

[Aliikai17]

Yes that Frederick, though I wasn't aware that he was born in Rotorua, I assumed Auckland, I don't have a birth date for him?

Walter England 1866–1938's brother? Can I ask how many siblings he had? I have that he was married to someone... Alice lucy? or Henrietta? and had my great great grandfather and then Walter remarried to Eva Emma Clarke and had a whole bunch of other kids (including the one who died on the boat... your forum was so amazing at filling in gaps there) I think I have probably missed a bit as it was 2-4am when I was looking at it...

I don't know where to begin with questions haha this part of the family is like still very uncharted for us.

Thanks

[Girl Guide]

Walter is the second child of three born to James and Elizabeth.  My great grandfather James was the eldest, then Walter and then Charlotte.

James stayed in the UK and Charlotte married a Walter Southcott and lived in China.

I have that Walter married Henrietta Hall in 1889 then after she died he married Eva Clarke in 1897.  In 1905 the family emigrated to New Zealand.

For some reason I cannot find a birth record for Frederick b. 1921.  If you can find a death certificate for Fred then it should give details of his parents.

I'll see if I can find a burial record for Frederick, but as it is less than 50 years since he died, not sure if I will find it.

[mckha489]

Burial

https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/Pages/RecordDetails.aspx?recordId=D42032D7A62BB369B6739B929E8775FF

Added, this info was posted in reply 60.  Sorry MH

[Girl Guide]

I have found a burial record for him.

Died 27 February 1971

Date of birth is stated as unknown, age is given as 49 but how accurate was that I wonder?

He is buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Protestant Division C, Row 2, Plot 75

It would be interesting to obtain his marriage certificate and see what that says.  He appears to have married Charlotte in 1949.

I am assuming that you are resident in NZ and therefore would be in a better position to check out his marriage.

The rule for family history is to start with what you know to be correct, i.e. yourself, and work backwards obtaining the relevant certificates to verify what you find.

I'm sure there will be plenty of New Zealanders here who will be willing to help you with Frederick. 

[Janette]

It would be interesting to obtain his marriage certificate and see what that says.  He appears to have married Charlotte in 1949.

It is better to purchase "printouts" as they are cheaper and often contain more information

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/paymentsandproducts

Cheers Janette