Shropshire placenames

[silverleaf79]

Deleted, ignore me!

[Kay99]

The problem with unusual names is they can so easily be mistranscribed!  My Anstee's were lost for years until I discovered them at transcribed as Austin.   Don't get me started on a Smith branch of my husbands family

[silverleaf79]

The problem with unusual names is they can so easily be mistranscribed!  My Anstee's were lost for years until I discovered them at transcribed as Austin.   Don't get me started on a Smith branch of my husbands family

That's true! I like the names that are both unusual and distinctive, that way it's easy to recognise them even if they are a bit mistranscribed!

[silverleaf79]

Frustratingly, John and Maria seem to be a match for my young John's parents - old John died at the right time, the family moved to Worcs where young John later married, and the birthplaces are close (Shrewsbury vs. Oswestry) - but I don't have anything more conclusive than what could basically be three coincidences.

If either John had a less common name I'd be convinced I had the right family by now, but John Roberts is just too common to be sure.

I don't know whether to assume they are right and run with it for now. I've totally hit a wall with conclusively tying my young John with this possible old John...

[Kay99]

I would consider looking at the family as a good option and continue to look for ways to confirm it 
 
Young John lists his father as deceased when he married in 1865 so confirming when the possible father died between 1861 and 1871 should help.   I wonder if the National Burial Index includes the parish where the elder John died??

[silverleaf79]

I wonder if the National Burial Index includes the parish where the elder John died??

Good idea - how would I find that out?

[Kay99]

Just checked my version 2nd Edition - you can buy them on discs - no sign of a John Roberts Thornley at the right time.   There are later editions and it is possible that someone on the site has access to the Parish Records??  I can't see a death of him on Family Search

Unfortunatley the 1867 death of John Roberts is the right age

[silverleaf79]

Did a freeBMD search for deaths of John Roberts between 1861 and 1865 in Durham, Staffordshire and Worcestershire.

LOTS to wade through!

Deaths Jun 1861   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Dudley    6c   22
Roberts    John        Gateshead    10a   331
Roberts    John        Newport Sh.    6a   549
Roberts    John        Winchcomb    6a   249
Deaths Dec 1861   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Upton    6c   183
Deaths Mar 1862   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   65
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   294
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   345
ROBERTS    John        Ashborne    7b   327
ROBERTS    John        Burton    6b   20[7_]
ROBERTS    John        Stow on W    6a   2[6_]0
Deaths Jun 1862   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Sunderland    10a   256
ROBERTS    John        Pershore    6c   207
ROBERTS    John        Stoke T    6b   98
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   310
ROBERTS    John William        Wolverhampton    6b   295
Deaths Sep 1862   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Stockton    10a   21
Roberts    John        W Bromwich    6b   341
Roberts    John        Wolverhampton    6b   214
Roberts    John        Stourbridge    6c   86
Deaths Dec 1862   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   73
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   58
Deaths Mar 1863   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   6
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   69
ROBERTS    John        Lichfield    6b   295
Deaths Jun 1863   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Stoke T    6b   93
ROBERTS    John        Worcester    6c   172
Deaths Sep 1863   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   305
ROBERTS    John        Stoke T    6b   98
ROBERTS    John        Newcastle L    6b   35
Deaths Dec 1863   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Bromsgrove    6c   250
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   316
ROBERTS    John Bullock        Wolverhampton    6b   304
ROBERTS    John William        Dudley    6c   19
Deaths Mar 1864   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   335
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   68
ROBERTS    John        Shipston    6d   430
ROBERTS    John        Stoke T.    6b   157
Deaths Jun 1864   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Bromsgrove    6c   262
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   33
Deaths Sep 1864   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Stoke T    6b   111
Roberts    John        Wolstanton    6b   54     Scan available - click to view
Roberts    John        Dudley    6c   46
Deaths Dec 1864   (>99%)
Roberts    John        W Bromwich    6b   462
Roberts    John        Tewkesbury    6a   288
Deaths Mar 1865   (>99%)
ROBERTS    John        Dudley    6c   87
ROBERTS    John        Solihull    6d   348
ROBERTS    John        Bromsgrove    15c   313
ROBERTS    John        Kidderminster    6c   186
ROBERTS    John        Worcester    6c   217
ROBERTS    John        Worcester    6c   217
ROBERTS    John Edward        Penkridge    6b   286
ROBERTS    John William        Wolverhampton    6b   345
ROBERTS    John William        Stratford upon Avon    6d   394
Deaths Jun 1865   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Wolverhampton    6b   262
Roberts    John        Wolverhampton    6b   30_
Deaths Sep 1865   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Solihull    6D   295
Roberts    John        Easington    10a   214
Deaths Dec 1865   (>99%)
Roberts    John        Wolverhampton    6b   324
Roberts    John        Walsall    6b   390

I think we can probably discount any with middle names as he didn't use one on his marriage cert or any of the censuses.

I'm leaning towards the death in Easington as Maria is living there in 1871, but that might be another coincidence, of course. It seems more likely that they moved there, he died, and then she stayed there than if he died in Worcs and then she moved. But who knows?

I'm going to see if I can find a death in mining records for that time, as he's listed as a coal miner in 1851 and 1861 (and a move to Durham would totally make sense for a miner).

[silverleaf79]

Just checked my version 2nd Edition - you can buy them on discs - no sign of a John Roberts Thornley at the right time.   There are later editions and it is possible that someone on the site has access to the Parish Records??  I can't see a death of him on Family Search

Unfortunatley the 1867 death of John Roberts is the right age

Thank you!

I know, how annoying about the 1867 death. That's definitely not him though if he was already dead in 1865...!