Shropshire placenames

[silverleaf79]

Given the confusion with the other family in terms of birth places I suppose it isn't unreasonable that John listed his birthplace as Shrewsbury rather than Oswestry

Yes, I've been assuming that since Shrewsbury's pretty close to Oswestry - only 20 miles or so - that it would be reasonable for him to claim Shrewsbury as a birthplace.

[Kay99]

There are two possible deaths in Easington Reg District in Sept Qtr 1865 - no age given and Dec Qtr 1867   age 51??

[silverleaf79]

There are two possible deaths in Easington Reg District in Sept Qtr 1865 - no age given and Dec Qtr 1867   age 51??

The age is right for the 1867 death, but his son's marriage cert definitely has him as deceased by 25 Dec 1865.

[Kay99]

I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth

I think this is the family in 1871  Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington   In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria.  The children's names may just be a coincidence

John    Roberts  30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth    Roberts 28    Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5    
John William Roberts     0    

It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ?

[silverleaf79]

I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth

I think this is the family in 1871  Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington   In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria.  The children's names may just be a coincidence

John    Roberts  30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth    Roberts 28    Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5    
John William Roberts     0    

It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ?

See, so many Johns!

My young John was born in Shrewsbury/Oswestry married Caroline James in Dudley in 1865. I don't have any record of him living in Durham at all (although he cold have been there sometime before 1865 I guess) but he was definitely living in Oldbury, Worcs in 1971 and 1881.

It might be coincidence, it's a really common name and there are lots of seemingly unconnected members of my family from Durham and Worcs who moved between the two areas. I guess miners travelled like that a lot.

[Kay99]

I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth

I think this is the family in 1871  Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington   In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria.  The children's names may just be a coincidence

John    Roberts  30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth    Roberts 28    Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5    
John William Roberts     0    

It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ?

See, so many Johns!

My young John was born in Shrewsbury/Oswestry married Caroline James in Dudley in 1865. I don't have any record of him living in Durham at all (although he cold have been there sometime before 1865 I guess) but he was definitely living in Oldbury, Worcs in 1971 and 1881.

It might be coincidence, it's a really common name and there are lots of seemingly unconnected members of my family from Durham and Worcs who moved between the two areas. I guess miners travelled like that a lot.

You are right so many John's!   I was thinking that this John might be an alternative John who was the son of John and Maria if this were not the right family for your John - If that makes sense

This John lists his birth place in 1901 as Wednesfield/Wedgefield, Wolverhampton I think which could relate to part of his childhood spent there and I can't see him pre 1871! And some of his children's names and the same as his possible mother and siblings.  Just a thought!
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[silverleaf79]

You are right so many John's!   I was thinking that this John might be an alternative John who was the son of John and Maria if this were not the right family for your John - If that makes sense

This John lists his birth place in 1901 as Wednesfield/Wedgefield, Wolverhampton I think which could relate to part of his childhood spent there and I can't see him pre 1871!   Just a thought
.

I see what you mean! I'm pretty sure he's not my John but of course he could be John and Maria's son. I hope he isn't, but he could be!

John and Maria probably moved to the Wolverhampton area between 1847 and 1850 as son Thomas was born in Oswestry in 1847 and son David in Wednesfield in 1850. Young John would have been 5-8 years old at that time.

He lists his birthplace as Shrewsbury in 1871 and 1881.

[Kay99]

Yes this 1871 one is not yours -just trying to eliminate other possible John's who could the son of John and Maria post 1861!

[silverleaf79]

You are right so many John's!

I really wish people with common surnames wouldn't give their children ridiculously common first names! Especially when you have multiple generations with the same name too...

I mean, I have a great-great grandfather Sylvanus Dunn (his daughter Mary Elizabeth married young John's son Daniel George) and he's been really easy to research because pretty much no-one's called Sylvanus. Similarly there's an Erasmus Orwin in my mother's line and I had no problems with him either.

But John Roberts... what on earth were they thinking?