Shropshire placenames

[silverleaf79]

How about

TREFERCLAWDD, a township in the parish of Oswestry, county Salop, 2 miles S.W. of Oswestry."

for the 3rd?

That sounds good. I got Google Translate to pronounce it for me and although it doesn't sound quite like "Travercula" it's similar. Thanks!

[Kay99]

I wonder if this is the family you found previously  - in 1841- living in Treferclawdd (Part of), Oswestry  Ties in with the birth place in 1861

John Roberts 25
Maria Roberts 25
David Roberts 2
John Roberts 5 Mo

[silverleaf79]

I wonder if this is the family you found previously  - in 1841- living in Treferclawdd (Part of), Oswestry  Ties in with the birth place in 1861

John Roberts 25
Maria Roberts 25
David Roberts 2
John Roberts 5 Mo

Yes, I think you're right, thanks. I had that census saved but hadn't noticed the place name (other than Oswestry)! Well spotted!

I think my next move is to try to trace this family forwards. I know the younger John died before 1865 when his son Daniel George married, so if I can find him in 1871 or later then I can rule this one out.

[Kay99]

I think this might be them in 1871 with Maria listed as a widow - Living as Thornley Colliery Easington  although the birth places as strange!

Maria Roberts 52  Common Murton
Thomas Roberts 25
David Roberts 22
Maria Roberts 19
Henry Roberts 17
Sarah Jane Roberts 10

I don't know if you have access to Anc but this tree appears to relate to the family although little census info is given!  http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/2035758/person/-919226167?ssrc=&ml_rpos=1

[Kay99]

Possibly 1881 -Living in Tunstall, Sunderland -but I can't see the son John

Ann Maria Roberts 64 widow Muston?? Common
Ann Maria Roberts 27
Henry Roberts 24
Sarah Roberts 20
Sarah Jane Roberts 1

[silverleaf79]

I think this might be them in 1871 with Maria listed as a widow - Living as Thornley Colliery Easington  although the birth places as strange!

Maria Roberts 52  Common Murton
Thomas Roberts 25
David Roberts 22
Maria Roberts 19
Henry Roberts 17
Sarah Jane Roberts 10

I don't know if you have access to Anc but this tree appears to relate to the family although little census info is given!  http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/2035758/person/-919226167?ssrc=&ml_rpos=1

Yes, the children all match, don't they? Apart from the birthplaces. It seems too much of a coincidence not to be them though.

And here's them in 1881
Ann Maria Roberts   64
Ann Maria Roberts   27
Henry Roberts   24
Sarah Roberts   20
Sarah Jane Roberts   1 (granddaughter)

[silverleaf79]

I see we cross-posted!

I didn't expect to see young John here, he married in Dudley in 1965 and was living around that area in 1871 and 1881.

[Kay99]

Given the confusion with the other family in terms of birth places I suppose it isn't unreasonable that John listed his birthplace as Shrewsbury rather than Oswestry

[silverleaf79]

Honestly, these two John Roberts guys are driving me crazy. There are so many death records for the older John between 1861 (last census he was in) and 1865 (where he's listed as "deceased" on young John's marriage cert), in Oswestry, Shrewsbury and Easington, Durham.

I suppose it would be reasonable to assume that he died in Easington as that's where his widow was in 1871 - it's more likely she'd stay there rather than moving to a place she had no other connection with after his death, right?

I just hate having to guess!