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Advice on intestate ancestors
« on: Wednesday 25 November 15 08:51 GMT (UK) »
I have finally (thanks to the 1939 register) found out what happened to my great-uncle who was estranged from the family. He died in 1961 and there is no record of probate for him (his 2nd wife died a year earlier and there is nothing for her either). I'm curious to know what happened to their goods, as their life after 1920 is pretty much a closed book. I'm assuming that a grant of representation must have been made, and that some contact must have been re-established with the rest of the family. But how do I go about tracking this kind of thing if nothing is showing up in the probate register? What if there was no grant, is there a way of tracking historical bona vacantia cases? Any thoughts would be most welcome.

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Re: Advice on intestate ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 November 15 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Caterpillar20

If there is no entry in the calendar and you have searched for at least 5 years after his death (actually look at the calendar pages don't rely on transcriptions), then it is almost a certainty that there is no grant or will.

If there is no grant for letters of adminstration, then the estate would have been valued below the threshold for 1961, today it is £5000.

If there  was something of value and it had been on the Bona Vacantia list, then by now it would have been passed over to the Crown. Names usually stay on there no more than 30 years. The oldest entries on the current list goes back to 1974, 1977 and 1978, the bulk of the rest start in the 1980's.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/unclaimed-estates-list#the-list

In the 1960's I would suggest that he may not have owned the property he was living in, so maybe no value there.

If there really was nothing of value and he was in rented accomodation, then his landlord may just have disposed of the furniture and clothing.

However, if some sort of contact had been restablished with a family member, they would most probably have done the same thing.

I know this sounds harsh but this even happens today. My aunt, acting as executor for her late sister in law, earlier this year had no option but to dispose of everything, no charities wanted the furniture or clothing as it was too old or not in good enough order. There was little money as she had been surviving on a state pension. She has sold the house but the value was greatly lowered as it was in need of complete renovation having not been decorated in years, rewiring needed doing, double glazing to replace all the windows and central heating installed.

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Re: Advice on intestate ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 November 15 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dawn,

Many thanks for such a comprehensive answer. I feared that might be the case. I guess I was hoping against hope that the end to their story wouldn't have just been cast away, or that there might be some way to chase things down. Never mind, I'll go over the probate records one last time just in case, and maybe look to his 2nd wife's family to see if there are any leads there.