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Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« on: Wednesday 18 November 15 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello. I would like some help please to find information on the wife of Schames MORRIS, a Russian Jew who moved from Russia to Scotland & then to New Zealand. Schames migrated to New Zealand (Port Chalmers) via the “Cartsburn” departing Glasgow 8th April 1874, occ listed as a Tailor. Also listed as 'single'. He lived in Dunedin, Christchurch & Wellington. He then moved to Australia in c.1880.

Schames married in 1876 however I am unable to find any information (including birth or possible immigration) for his wife as her name is spelt differently on every record I can find. (I think the correct spelling is Toube)
It is spelt the following ways:
1876 m/c - Tovbi PEERIE
1919 d/c – Tombe P HARRIS (Harris possibly father's name)
1876 b/c of child – Toby
1878 b/c of child – Toyb
1880 b/c of child – Soube
1884 b/c of child - Toube Pearl

The information I am specifically looking for is:
•   Date of birth
•   Place of birth
•   Name of parents
•   Name of siblings
•   Possible immigration to New Zealand
•   birth records for 2 daughters born in New Zealand – Esther R MORRIS born c.1876/9. Catherine (Kate) H MORRIS born c.1878/81

Thank you for any assistance.


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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 November 15 09:44 GMT (UK) »



NSW BDM
death
2657/1919  MORRIS Tombe P  parents Harris / -              @     PENRITH
should give marriage details, birthplace, children.

birth
2710/1884  MORRIS Pearl   parents     Schames / Toube     @ Sydney
this certificate should list previous issue, mothers age and birthplace.

There is a naturalisation file for  Shames MORRIS at National Archives of Australia.

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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 November 15 10:13 GMT (UK) »
BDM NSW death
15142/1948  MORRIS Joseph parents Shamus / Toba   @ Kogarah

18341/1947  MORRIS Solomon parents Shamas / Toube  @ Waverley

SMH 16 Sep 1947
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18044658?
and brother Asher....

SMH 26 Jul 1938
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17477677?
death of Asher....

16581/1938  MORRIS Asher Jeremiah parents  Shamas /  61 yrs  @ Kogarah

keep going with SMH search with Asher MORRIS to find family....

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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 November 15 01:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your replies.
I have all that information however I was hoping that the New Zealand RootsChat community could perhaps find something locally that I can not access as I do not live in New Zealand.
Many thanks.


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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 November 15 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

NZ BDM appears to have the surname as SCHAMES, not MORRIS.  ???

1878/4339   Schames   Hanna                   Toyb           Morris                   
1876/17601 Schames   Jeremiah Asher   Toby    Morris


www.dia.govt.nz/births-deaths-and-marriages


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 November 15 06:20 GMT (UK) »
Likewise surname at his marriage............


Registration Number   Bride's Given Name(s) Name(s)   Bride's Family Name
                                        Tovbi                                                Peerie

                                 Groom's Given Name(s)           Groom's Family Name   
1876/1010            Morris                                           Schames


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 November 15 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your replies.

I agree that the name was inverted.

I still haven't found any more information on his wife -  Toube.

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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 November 15 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Notes on the Cartsburn arrival

Family Search lists Maurice SCHAMUS Tailor on Cartsburn "Nationality" Larnarkshire.

On arrival in Otago Cartsburn immigrants severely stretched the reception resources of Dunedin.   There is no Passenger list in Papers Past for Cartsburn or the other ships which arrived in July 1874.   Toube PEERIE does not appear to have travelled on the Cartsburn under any variation of that name.
The Cartsburn was not the happiest of immigrant voyages and one passenger was awarded fifty pounds for assault on the high seas committed by crew members.

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
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Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
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Re: Toube MORRIS (nee ? PEERIE) married 1876 in ? Dunedin
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 December 15 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought........

You could ask for a look up or purchase an 'Intention to Marry' document in respect of Schames and Peerie.

This would provide the length of residence for each in the area where they were to be married. Not however the length of residence in New Zealand. But this information could still be helpful.......

Archives New Zealand holds Notices of Intention to Marry records for the whole of New Zealand from 1856-1956. These are indexed for the period 1856-1881

www.archway.archives.govt.nz

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.