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Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« on: Monday 09 November 15 03:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
 I have found this marriage on 24 July 1858 between John Dawson and Catherine Stafford both full age. John was a servant. Both were of the All Souls District. Marylebone. John's his father John Dawson Bricklayer, Catherine's father William Stafford Labourer (Dec). Witnesses were H Stafford and Frances Gumbrell.
I would like to find their Mothers or family. I don't seem to be having much luck finding them on the 1851 census or baptisms of either.I believe this couple came to Australia before the next census with their first son John.
Any suggestions please as to where  I could look further?

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Re: Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 November 15 04:18 GMT (UK) »
A possible?
1851 census HO107 piece 1539 folio 705 page 4
7 Hope street Bethnal Green
John Dawson  43 bricklayer Staffordshire
Ann Dawson  40 Spitalfields Middlsex
John Dawson  19 Blacksmith's (journeyman?) Bethnal Green
Bryan Dawson  16  Bethnal Green Bricklayer's (journeyman?)
Edward Brown  16 Bethnal Green gentleman's servant

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Re: Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 November 15 04:37 GMT (UK) »
1841 HO107 piece 693 book 11 folio32 page 25
Tower Hamlets Bethnall Green
John Dawson  30 bricklayer Born in County?No
Ann Dawson  30 yes
John Dawson  9 yes
Bryant Dawson  6 yes

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Re: Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 November 15 05:23 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou for that very quick reply and census finds Crisane .That certainly looks promising :)


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Re: Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 03:19 GMT (UK) »
The children of John and Catherine:

John (born 1859 in London)

Born in Tasmania:
 
Louisa Mary c1862 (no registration)
Robert 1863
Kate 1865
Ida Elizabeth 1867 (married as Elizabeth Ada and known as 'Ada')
Charlotte Harris 1869
(married as Charlotte Alice and known as 'Alice' so perhaps the 'Harris' was an error),
Charles Henry 1877 (died 1887 from typhoid fever)

Catherine died in 1902 and John in 1907 and their obituaries and other articles and letters give lots of clues about their background. 

Catherine was born c1831 and had a brother R. STAFFORD (probably Robert) in Tasmania.  There was also the H. STAFFORD who witnessed the marriage in London in 1858, so possibly another sibling.

John was born c1832 at Walsingham in Norfolk, the son of John DAWSON a bricklayer and Elizabeth GIRDLESTONE.  His maternal grandmother, also named Elizabeth GIRDLESTONE, died in 1880 supposedly just short of her 100th birthday.  I suspect that this age is not correct but I have only had a brief look.

John DAWSON lived at Little Walsingham with his family until at least 1851 where he was a bricklayer with his father.  You will notice that when he married in 1858 and when his son John was baptised in 1859 John's occupation was 'Servant'.  An odd decision for a bricklayer, but sometime between 1851 and 1855 he went into service for two years as a footman to the TOWNSHEND family, presumedly at Raynham Hall, just south of Walsingham.  He then went to London where he married Catherine.

He MAY have been in the service of Joseph ARCHER just before emigrating, but because they did not arrive in Tasmania together I am not sure if this is correct or if he was just in ARCHER's service at the Panshanger Estate in Longford after arrival.  John did go back to being a bricklayer in Tasmania.

Joseph ARCHER left Tasmania in January 1856 for London and returned in December 1859 on the ship Percy.  John and Catherine DAWSON also arrived in December 1859, but on the barque Antipodes.  The Antipodes was a cargo vessel and only carried three other passengers besides the DAWSONs.  There is a record of how the other three were disposed of on arrival but not the DAWSONs.  This might suggest that their voyage was privately paid for.

Here are the links you need to put this together:

Catherine's death:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/153974148
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35528274
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/153898468

John's death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45837165
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151795823
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151796552

Arrival in Tasmania 1859
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/65989582
(Second column under 'Miscellaneous Shipping' - '...Passengers per Antipodes from London— John Dawson wife and child..')

If you have a look at the first column there is also a full list of the cargo that the Antipodes was carrying - always interesting.

Letters written by John DAWSON giving background info:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151820534
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/153759032

The death of his grandmother in 1880:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38254251

Joseph ARCHER Jnr. (He had an Uncle by the same name who died in 1853)
http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/archer-joseph-1158

Panshanger Estate
http://www.panshanger.com.au/index.htm

The TOWNSHENDS and Raynham Hall:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_Townshend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynham_Hall

Plenty to keep you busy there and will try to find more on Robert STAFFORD.  I think this is his death in 1912:

STAFFORD - On the 21st January at the General Hospistal, Launceston, Robert Stafford, of Longford, aged 74 years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50634420

Debra  :)


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Re: Dawson/Stafford married 1858 All Souls
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Wow, Debra !!!! Thankyou for all that detailed information. Following on from Crisane's posts the 1861 census finds that John Dawson still with his parents so couldn't be in Tassie at the same time.
I got lost in my Tasmania searches because I couldn't find the marriage of John & Catherine in the first instance and also the birth of John.I had the children in Tasmania.  I am researching this family for someone else.I must have been looking through Trove with my sunglasses on.
This is a huge help ,so thankyou again. :)