Edward W.Spokes

[paradise2431]

I just give up with you Cheers

[sparrett]

I just give up with you Cheers

Paradise2431,
Do you feel that your many years of Spoke research is being challenged and that is the reason for your remark?

You should bear in mind that Jaro and Mrs Wheelie, the main chatters making this current inquiry, may welcome recent research using sources you have not so far used in your own work.
 

As a team we are all keen to assist, and try to keep an open mind regarding research findings.

In light of this, I think your remark is quite disrespectful.

Sue

[majm]

Re DNA testing....

Here is my transcription of the registry entry at NSW BDM for

Fanny SPOKES’  1858 marriage, based on the image found in one of those pdfs attached earlier in this thread.   

15 July 1858,
at Clarefield, Rolland Plains, according to the rites of the Church of Scotland.

William LOVELOCK, a Bachelor, born New South Wales, a Servant, aged 19, of Rolland Plains, Father:  James Lovelock a Stockman and Mother : Cockroach, an Aboriginal Native

Fanny SPOKES, a Spinster, born New South Wales, a Servant, aged 21 of Rolland Plains
Father : John Spokes and Mother: mother’s name unknown 

Witnesses :  E C NAYLOR and Emma NAYLOR
Clergy : Rev. Edward HOLLAND

Edward Spokes was a part Aboriginal his mother was half Native John Doyle was a white man and John Spoke Snr. a convict his partner a Native aboriginal Princess name unknown gave birth to Fanny Spokes B 1.4.1834 Rolland Plains (V18344534121B) Ann Coates was on board the convict ship MARY 3 when Fanny was born hence the late Christening. Fanny was rared by The Innes Family of Port Macquarie a very popular family of the time. That is were the Marriage article in the newspapers state she was a well educated woman 
Ch. 13.2.1842 Parents John & Ann (being Ann Tolhurst/Coates), St Andrew Presby.   
D 27.8.1918 Walcha (Euphemia Frances Lovelock)
I have all the certificates but Edwards Spokes Death
FANNY GAVE BIRTH TO A SON
EDWARD William SPOKES
B 30.12.1854 V18541087 44A Port Mac St Thomas C/E
Ch. 12.9.1858 at Rolland’s Plains parents John Doyle & Fanny Spokes sponsors E Sercombe & John Spokes
D 12.3.1910 (2927) Port Macquarie father John & Ann Spokes which are his Grand parents.
No doubt he was rared by his grand parents
Cheers Robyn Hand

Here is the newspaper announcement for that 1858 marriage.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60428082 Empire 26 July 1858


So to me,  the question remains ..... how does any of these historic facts, the result of much research, conducted over many years, show that the chap charged in 1875 was the chap who died in 1910?   

Re the chap charged in 1875
No mention of a middle name
No mention of his age or occupation
No mention of any Aboriginal heritage
No mention of any family members in the area
No mention of any fixed address (charged under the Vagrant's Act)
No mention of any place of birth

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html

Edward William SPOKES, born 23 July 1856, parents as William SPOKES and Sarah FOSTER.
Born Norwood, Adelaide #7/357   

Cheers,  JM

[MrsWheelie_1979]

Thank you everyone for your input.
I take no offence at anyone's comments.
I am adding it all to my data.
Every piece of information helps to assist in some way with family research.
With most family trees, today we are depending on the accuracy of someone in the past and how they have recorded names, dates and places. From hand written to typed documents, mistakes can be made. Translating handwriting (from any time in history - to the current day) can be tricky.
Names can be changed, names added, names deleted. So Edward Spokes may or may not be the same person as Edward William Spokes. It all depends on the information given at the time and how that information is recorded.

In another line of my family history, information was 'left out' because it didn't fit with the idea of what was 'right / correct'. Dates were changed.
For so many years, few wanted a convict in their family background. Few wanted aboriginal connections in their family tree. Having the right date for a marriage before the birth of the first child was changed over the years.

So I take everyone's comments for what they are. I add them to my information. As I find something that seems to confirm or deny what I have, I edit my details.

Whether Edward Spokes or Edward William Spokes is in my family tree, I keep this as a possible / probable.
Whether it is ever confirmed as more likely, or 100%, I have no idea.
So please just add what you have, and anyone who is connected will make what they may from everything they see here.

Information / documents from the past whether it is from the family bible, letters to family members, legal documents, etc. We all depend on the accuracy of the person recording the information. Sometimes (and I know for a fact with another of my family trees) dates are changed to make a wedding seem the right length of time before a birth, or a birth month is changed to make the birth seem the right length of time from a marriage date. And yes, even the births deaths and marriage records are not fool proof. There are mistakes.

Newspaper reports can be made more dramatic than the actual events. They were (and again from another family tree) made to fit what was 'correct' for the time in history.

So we are all left to the devices of someone in the past and the records that were kept.

I look forward to seeing more information arising about Edward and his possible connection with Clara.

Cheers