Edward W.Spokes

[paradise2431]

Edward W Spokes was born in 1854 he was christened Edward William Spokes and his death was Edward depending who filled out the death cert.
NSW BDM Reg No V18541087 44A/1854   Spokes   Edward W      Fanny
Death Reg No NSW BDM 2927/1910   Spokes   Edward   John   Anne   Port Macquarie
This is the same man Fanny Spokes is his mother and John Doyle is his father but John on the death Cert is his grandfather John Spokes the convict and Ann Coates/Tolhurst is his Step Grandmother I have seen all the evidence and collected over 45 years
Thank you for you help on this page
Cheers
             

[majm]

Hi there,

May I please learn how it has been determined that the chap who was charged under the Vagrant's Act in 1875 at Kempsey is the father of Sophia's child born 1876.

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May I explain that I simply cannot join the dots to
a) get from the 1854 baptism to the 1875 charges and/or
b) from the 1875 charges to the 1876 birth and/or
c) from the 1875 charges to the 1910 death.

I am not questioning the dots from the 1854 baptism to the 1910 death, or your 45 years of research.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Another transcription 

The Will of Edward SPOKES, late of Rollands Plains, Farmer

This is the last Will and Testament of me, Edward SPOKES, Farmer of Bril Bril Creek, Rollands Plains in the State of New South Wales.  I hereby revoke any former will or codicil and I appoint Thomas Davenport WILSON, Grazier of Kempsey and Rollands Plains the executor of this my will.   I direct my executor to realise and sell as soon after my decease as is practical, all my affects and whatsoever I may be possessed at the time of my decease excepting my old chestnut pony which I do hereby give and bequeath to my brother James SPOKES for his own use and when such effects & possessions shall have been realised and after payment of all my just debts funeral and testamentary expenses I direct that the proceeds shall be divided by my executor between my brothers James SPOKES and John SPOKES both of Rollands Plains in the proportion of two thirds to James Spokes and one third to John Spokes.   

Signed and declared by the testator Edward Spokes at Port Macquarie this sixth day of January 1910…..
Witnesses John McDonnough, Hotel Keeper, Port Macquarie
Thomas Woodhouse, Farmer, Hearons Creek.

21 June 1910 Probate Granted
To Thomas Davenport Wilson of Kempsey Macleay River, Grazier, the sole Executor.
Testator died 12 March 1910 at Port Macquarie.   Total Asssets £60/10/- Total Debts £74/9/4

So the Edward SPOKES of Rollands Plains who died 12 March 1910 was brother to James and John, both also of Rollands Plains. 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

NSW BDM online index
Edward SPOKES, parents as John and Anne,  Port Macquarie, death date as 12 March 1910 #2927
James SPOKES, parents as John and Ann,  Port Macquarie, death date as 4 Jan 1933    #3127
John SPOKES, parents as John and Ann,  Port Macquarie, death date 13 Sept 1934 as #15358

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104474540  Port Macquarie News 14 Jan 1933
Mr J Spokes
We regret to record the death of Mr James Spokes, of Rollands Plains, who passed away at the residence of his nephew Mr J Spokes, jun, on 4th January at the age of 83 years. 
The late Mr Spokes was a son of the late Mr and Mrs John Spokes, and was born at Rollands Plains and lived there all his life.
The deceased never married and is survived by an elder brother who is in his 90th year.
The remains were interred in the Rollands Plains Cemetery on Thursday of last week, in the presence of a large gathering of relatives and friends.  Canon L Gray conducted the funeral service.  The arrangements were carried out by Mr H T Wilkins.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104474525  Same newspaper different page.
Obit for Mr James SPOKES with info about his late father Mr John Spokes, who had a narrow escape from being killed.
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/172249294  Manning River Rives 14 Jan 1933.
James Spokes an old resident of Rollands Plains passed away on 5th instant aged 83 years.  Deceased was only ill a few days and in his long span of years he had never required the advice of a doctor.  A brother, John, aged 94 years, resides at Port Macquarie. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/162145279  The Northern Champion, 6 Oct 1934.
The late Mr John Spokes whose death was previously briefly mentioned was born at Rollands Plains on May 15 1841, and so had spend upwards of 93 years on the Hastings.  He is survived by 11 children, 38 grandchild and 22 great grandchildren.   It also includes many details about their father’s narrow escape, and the aftermath.

Many other accounts at the free to search digitised newspapers at Trove
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper?q=

John and Ann/e, likely the parents :
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/120150276  Port Macquarie News 20 April 1889 Mr John SPOKES, death April 1889

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104753400 Port Mac News 17 Nov 1900
Mrs Ann SPOKES, relict of Mr John SPOKES.

Cheers,  JM

[paradise2431]

Very good hunting you have the exactly what I have done thank you.
The thing I don't think you are getting it that Edward is not John and Ann son, James and John Jnr are his Uncles they are younger than Edward.
Anyway I'm getting off the subject I work on dates and facts. I live in Port so I will go and find his grave and research some more you never know what one will find digging up the past.
Thank you for your help I have never seen Edward's will your very clever to find that quick it saves me going to Kingswood Cheers

[MrsWheelie_1979]

My husbands grandmother Clara Coleman Teague Holborow has no father listed on her birth certificate. Her son Wrexall Holborow would not talk about his family. He told me he knew nothing about his parents. When I found the information about Edward Spokes and Sophia Coleman, I concluded that Edward could be a possible /probable biological father of Clara. I have no proof.
Without knowing the actual date that Edward entered the home of Sophia Coleman and how long it was before he went to court and then went to jail, I believe that Edward may be Clara's father.
If anyone can conclusively confirm that he is not her father, or tell me who her biological father is, until then I am tentatively adding Edward Spokes at her father.
There is also the possibility that Edward and Sophia had a relationship before "Edward Spokes, charged on warrant with being in the dwelling house of Edward Colemen, Kempsey, with intent to commit a rape on Sophia Colemen, aged 16 years, under the Vagrancy Act" charge against Edward.
 
I am not saying 100% that everything is true. I am saying it is what I believe to be possible. I am not saying that anyone should automatically accept what I believe. I hope there is someone out there who can shed some more light on what I believe.
I have found all the information added to this post here very interesting and I will be keeping it as data to refer back to.
Cheers

[paradise2431]

I confer with you, when the DNA comes back we might know one way or the other
until more evidence is to be proven, I will say Edward is the possible father one will never know
Good night 

[MrsWheelie_1979]

Yes I think the same.
 I will say Edward is the possible father one will never know

Cheers

[majm]

The thing I don't think you are getting it that Edward is not John and Ann son, James and John Jnr are his Uncles they are younger than Edward.
Anyway I'm getting off the subject I work on dates and facts. ....

I understood that many have Edward William SPOKES as the grandson of John and Ann rather than their son. 

May I mention :
John who died in Oct 1934 was aged 93 years or there abouts.   So he was born about 1840
James who died in Jan 1933 was aged 83 years, so he was born about 1850.

And you are saying that these two are Edward Wiliam SPOKE's Uncles and they are younger than Edward, so that means  that Edward was NOT born in the 1850s, but was born much earlier, as he is older than John. 

Here’s index details for a baptism for a John Spokes
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCV-MZQ  born 15 May 1840

Does anyone have the official transcription/s or the officical copy/ies of the death registrations for the 1889 death of John or the 1900 death of Ann ?   If so, please check the details of their children as listed on the documents, as at least Edward, John and James survived John and Ann and so should have been available to help provide the family history information on those records. (from one of those newspaper cuttings we learn that in April 1889 John ' interred on his son's property at William's Creek' )

Re the Edward SPOKES who was charged in 1875.

Why has anyone determined that he is the chap who died in 1910?

Cheers,  JM

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NSW ER 1870 THE HASTINGS
Edward COLEMAN, householder, West Kempsey
Robert TAGUE, leashold, Belombopine, Macleay River

Grevilles PO Directory 1875 FREDERICKTON
John COLEMAN, carpenter
Robert TEAGUE, farmer

NSW ER 1878 THE HASTINGS
Edgar Albert COLEMAN, freehold, West Kempsey
Edward COLEMAN, residence, Frederickton
John COLEMAN, freehold Frederickton.
Robert TEAGUE, freehold, Belombopine, Frederickton


NSW ER 1903 COWPER, polling at Kempsey
Edith May COLEMAN, Exhibition Lane, domestic duties
Edward COLEMAN, Exhibition Lane, pensioner

NSW ER 1903, COWPER, polling at Frederickton
Robert TEAGUE, farmer, at Yarrabandini
Sophia TEAGUE, domestic duties, at Yarrabandini