Edward W.Spokes

[majm]

Is that word "Telegram" Dundee .... 

Cheers,  JM

[MrsWheelie_1979]

Thanks for the information Dundee.

Do you have any information about Edward Spokes after he came out of jail? I have a date of death - 1910 Port Macquarie, but don't know if that is correct.
Cheers

[MrsWheelie_1979]

Hello Dundee,
I don't know what the last word is either in the image you posted. Telegram doesn't seem to fit with the other text, even thought it does look like telegram.

The date on the document you mentioned starts at August 1875.
1874 is the year quoted on Ancestry.com so maybe that is a typo by the person who added the document.

If you find anything else relating to Edward Spokes, I hope you will share with us.
Cheers

[MrsWheelie_1979]

I have asked a few friends what they think the word might be at the end of the text in the photo you posted Dundee. They all seem to think Telegram is the correct word.

I am not familiar enough with documents like this and the terminology that would be used.


Cheers

[paradise2431]

Hi there I have seen the post on Edward Spokes I have researched the Spokes family for over 30 years now and I have a hell of lot of paper work on them. My friend Janice has told me that Roots chat was talking about Edward I live in Kempsey NSW.
I will be interested to chat about the Spokes's what I really would like to know who is interested in Edward he was a character for sure, as far as I can work out without doing DNA he had no descendants at all what he went to jail for is molesting a 16 year old [or attempting] in the house of Coleman in Kempsey and the daughter gave birth to a girl months later and on the birth cert stating no father so we all think it could be Edward as the father. Looking forward to hearing from you all Robyn

[majm]

Is that word "Telegram" Dundee .... 

Cheers,  JM

The Special Permission re the Discharge may well have been sent through via a Telegram and then the paperwork followed in the official mail. 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Thankyou so much to everyone who replied to my query on Edward Spokes.I have also found him in the NSW Police Gazette on Oct 27 1875.Also an appeal in NSW Criminal Court records.Regards Jaro

I am typing up my own transcriptions of some info from some images that have been uploaded to a commercial website.   It is likely the originals may be freely available at the Kingswood Archives of the NSW State Records Office.

NSW Police Gazette page 815
27 Oct 1875

Edward Spokes, charged on warrant with being in the dwelling hourse of Edward Colemen, Kempsey, with intent to commit a rape on Sophia Colemen, aged 16 years, has been arrested by Constable Byrnes, Kempsey Police.  Sentenced to five months imprisonment in Port Macquarie Gaol.  Notice of appeal given.

Was Edward an Aboriginal?  May I suggest this is unlikely.   

Returns of criminal cases heard at Country Quarter Sessions. 
30th October 1875
Edward Spokes,
Appeal from conviction of the Bench of Magistrates, Kempsey of five months hard labour in Port Macquarie Gaol under  Vagrants Act.

The conviction of Edward Spokes is recorded as “Conviction dismissed, with £20 in costs". 

So the appeal was heard around three days or more after the conviction, perhaps Edward had not even left Kempsey lock up when the Appeal overturning the conviction was heard.  Perhaps there's the reason for the Discharged Special Permission being sent by Telegram. 

So Edward was NOT a convicted person afterall as he was found not guilty of the charge, on appeal. 

Why do I suggest it is unlikely that Edward was of Aboriginal Heritage? …. Well on the same page of the Returns of criminal cases heard at Country Quarter Sessions as the results of that Appeal, there are other FIVE listings and the first (top of the page) is for a chap who is clearly identified by one name only and that name is followed by  ‘ (an aboriginal) ‘  I do not see the word “Aboriginal”  or ‘half-caste’ or other words of similar intent as used in that era,  in either of those two official records for Edward. 

I continue to be very very doubtful that Edward was the father of Sophia's child.  To be exact, but hopefully without being vulgar .... He was not charged with any 'penetration'. 

Cheers,  JM

[paradise2431]

Edward Spokes was a part Aboriginal his mother was half Native John Doyle was a white man and John Spoke Snr. a convict his partner a Native aboriginal Princess name unknown gave birth to Fanny Spokes B 1.4.1834 Rolland Plains (V18344534121B) Ann Coates was on board the convict ship MARY 3 when Fanny was born hence the late Christening. Fanny was rared by The Innes Family of Port Macquarie a very popular family of the time. That is were the Marriage article in the newspapers state she was a well educated woman 
Ch. 13.2.1842 Parents John & Ann (being Ann Tolhurst/Coates), St Andrew Presby.   
D 27.8.1918 Walcha (Euphemia Frances Lovelock)
I have all the certificates but Edwards Spokes Death
FANNY GAVE BIRTH TO A SON
EDWARD William SPOKES
B 30.12.1854 V18541087 44A Port Mac St Thomas C/E
Ch. 12.9.1858 at Rolland’s Plains parents John Doyle & Fanny Spokes sponsors E Sercombe & John Spokes
D 12.3.1910 (2927) Port Macquarie father John & Ann Spokes which are his Grand parents.
No doubt he was rared by his grand parents
Cheers Robyn Hand

[majm]

There's no mention of Edward Spokes having a middle name in either of those two official records that I have transcribed. 

As far as I am aware, I do not have anyone with the surname SPOKES in my ancestors.  But, may I ask how it has been determined that the Edward Spokes on those official records is the same chap as the Edward William SPOKES who was baptised 30 December 1854 at Port Macquarie?

Cheers,  JM