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Offline Guy Etchells

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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 register before you buy
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 12 November 15 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Can I make a request that everyone who uses the reference number to locate a family on the 1939 National Registration purchase an image of the family, if it is the correct one they are searching for.
If they do they will help not only themselves and current family historians or genealogists but future ones as well.

Why do I say this, they help themselves as the images carry additional information that has not been transcribed.
They help future genealogists by encouraging big companies to invest millions in high risk digitisation of records, if these companies do not see a return they will not take the risk in future.

At present only Findmypast is taking the risk in digitising these huge databases, companies such as Ancestry sit back until all the hard work and risk has been taken then cream off the profits when the records are licenced relatively cheaply.

Companies will only invest if they can justify the investment to their shareholders, if they cannot do that we will not see the benefit in the future of new records to research on line.

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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 register before you buy
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 12 November 15 12:01 GMT (UK) »
Libby and Dawn - thank you both very much for the help with my query.  :)

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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 register before you buy
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 12 November 15 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Interesting post on Chris Paton's Blog about the disappearing TNA Ref on the preview screen - http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/1939-national-identity-register-terms.html
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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 register before you buy
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 12 November 15 13:48 GMT (UK) »
Well I think I've found my grandmother using the free search - she's not where I expected but someone with the same name & middle initial as my grandfather is listed in the same household so it seems possible.

As suggested, I tried putting surname in the first name box - no luck. But Cecilia Emma (only ever known as Cissy or Cis to my knowledge even on censuses) turns out to be listed as Emma C.

Presumably Grandad filled in the form......... ::)

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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 register before you buy
« Reply #67 on: Friday 13 November 15 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Guy makes an important point (below).  Neither HM Government nor Findmypast are under any obligation to digitise and transcribe recordsets like these.  It has to be worth their while. 

I found it interesting to read the tender document: TNA's/HMG's liability/commitment extended only to making available a "secure location" for scanning, while everything else was carried out (to TNA's specifications) at the risk and cost of FindMyPast. From that tender document, it also looks like FindMyPast pays TNA royalties for use of the Register.

If FindMyPast don't see much of a return on their investment, then will they risk doing it again?

I'd also guess that the sooner FindMyPast have recovered a certain proportion of their costs, the sooner the Register will be included in subscriptions, which is when we can start looking up those niggling outer branches on our family trees that it's not worth spending money on, but it's nice to complete.

Yes, it costs money - that can't be denied. And the 1939 Register isn't cheap.  But it's cheaper than the £25 FOI requests you used to have to make to get information from the Register, and it could probably be argued that if it weren't for all those people submitting FOI requests re the Register, the Government wouldn't have been spurred into action, in putting its digitization and publication out to tender in the first place. 

Can I make a request that everyone who uses the reference number to locate a family on the 1939 National Registration purchase an image of the family, if it is the correct one they are searching for.
If they do they will help not only themselves and current family historians or genealogists but future ones as well.

Why do I say this, they help themselves as the images carry additional information that has not been transcribed.
They help future genealogists by encouraging big companies to invest millions in high risk digitisation of records, if these companies do not see a return they will not take the risk in future.

At present only Findmypast is taking the risk in digitising these huge databases, companies such as Ancestry sit back until all the hard work and risk has been taken then cream off the profits when the records are licenced relatively cheaply.

Companies will only invest if they can justify the investment to their shareholders, if they cannot do that we will not see the benefit in the future of new records to research on line.

Cheers
Guy
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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 Register before you buy
« Reply #68 on: Friday 13 November 15 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Well I did the free bit and thought to myself "You don't get owt for nowt Frank" and purchased on household with who I suspected had a bit of a brick wall of mine in it ..................................

BINGO!!

There he was with his full date of birth, 10 minutes later I have his death which confirmed it for me and another 10 minutes and his birth certificate is ordered from the GRO which will give me his parents,  ;D ;D ;D

Worth every penny  ;)

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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 Register before you buy
« Reply #69 on: Friday 13 November 15 11:59 GMT (UK) »
I bought 2 records under the old system provided by the 1939 Register Team. I may get some images from FindMyPast at some point in the future. Sorry Guy I understand what you're saying but I don't feel obliged to buy to support future projects. I'm a former FindMyPast subscriber and they've had a lot of money from me in the past.


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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 Register before you buy
« Reply #70 on: Friday 13 November 15 12:01 GMT (UK) »
I too, have just unlocked two more households - my grandparents.  One set lived in a small village in Cheshire, and it was interesting to see a number of the neighbours.  Of the 13 households (44 persons), I can see 4 ARP Wardens, 1 special constable (Gamekeeper and Estate Rabbit Catcher  :)), a WVS lady, a Red Cross Nurse and a member of the Observer Corps.

My other grandmother lived in Halifax, not quite so interesting for me as I do not recognise any of the neighbours, although I see that my grandmother had a lodger.  I'm sure that I recognise the lodger's name - just now need to find electoral rolls for Boston Spa in the 1950s, to confirm that my memory isn't playing tricks on me.  :o
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Re: Preview search tips for the 1939 Register before you buy
« Reply #71 on: Friday 13 November 15 15:21 GMT (UK) »
The other day I had a quick look at the register and, using the tip read on here, also managed to find others in the same house. The tip was to use the  piece and item numbers from the Reference number. However, today I tried this again and although I can find someone on the initial search page, when I go to the preview the registration number is not shown. What am I doing wrong?