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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #225 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 15:11 GMT (UK) »
I searched for my father who died in 1961 but he isn't on there.He was deployed to Malta in the war but not until 1940. His parents are not there either and they have a very unusual surname.my maternal grandparents are also missing.I only found my mother who appears to have both her married names there as well.

"very unusual surname" could well mean "increased chance of mistranscription"

I'd try searching without surname - i.e. just first name and some other details, like birth, others in household (first names only), county etc.

When transcribing records, it's easier to make out first names, as there aren't as many, while if you can't quite read the surname, it's much harder to work it out as you don't know what it might be (if you see what I mean.)
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #226 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Just to say I've found my Auntie Eunice born 1928 and is still alive & well & still got a memory....as I've just spoken to her...... but her record is not closed ! ...

..... however I've not found my mother born 1919 & died 1970, who I believe (& so does Eunice) is living in that same household at the time, as her mother (my grandmother) is also listed as living there along with her sister (Eunice's mum) .... and could well be the recorded closed item in that household.

How do we know the name of the closed person so I can claim that it should be reopened? Surely someone knows how these eradicated people are?
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #227 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 15:49 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?

I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.

Very, very disappointing.

The knowledge that they would not get a ration book if they did not was a good incentive to make sure everyone filled in the return.

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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #228 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:00 GMT (UK) »

How many "others" are likely to view an individual household? If I sent my mother's death certificate to FindMyPast (to which I have an annual subscription) It shouldn't cost me anything. I already have several copies of her death certificate because I registered her death and assisted my brother (her executor) sorting out probate etc. But getting her record unredacted would only benefit me. I can't see anyone else being at all interested in this household, so FindMyPast would not gain additional revenue from my actions. 

By opening redacted records you are doing something for future genealogists 1, 5, 20 years down the line.

In addition when other companies can host the register those pages will be open, if people are selfish and do not update the records they have death certificates for we could end up with the situation in 5 or 6 years time where records are open on Findmypast, but not on Ancestry or the Genealogist etc. or open on one of the other two mut not on the first.
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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #229 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:00 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?

I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.

Very, very disappointing.

Maybe if they had someone living with them they might be on my GG Grandparants have been transcribed incorrectly as such when you search you cannot find them  :-\ :-\ :-\
Jones, Rhodes, Lindley, Bell, Sherwin , Brooke, Storr

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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #230 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:02 GMT (UK) »
A couple of things I've noticed:

1) Not all of the pieces/items are uploaded. Searching for my great-grandparents, I had the luxury of knowing exactly where they lived, thanks to the 1939 electoral roll being on Ancestry. I found they did not come up using names (in various full and vague forms). So I searched via address, and whilst the door number shows on the list, it errors every time I try to click through. So, I tried searching for neighbours and every single one of them does not appear, until further up the road. The road itself goes from 1-23 (odds) and 2-42 (evens). The next piece shows 30-42 even then 23-5 odds. My rellies were at no.2 !!! So using Dawn's logic, I found that the  third section of the reference (in red RG101/1234Z/123/01) is the item and by adjusting it by one you can see the previous or following item along the walk.......except the one I need errors  :'(
Which brings me on to my next thing...

2) A household doesn't always fit nicely on to one document. In doing the above, I found husband and wife were on different pieces. If you're tracing them (or similar) that counts as two households to unlock  :o

3) On the subject of missing pieces, my mum and her family are "hiding" (hence why I was searching  Point 1 above, just in case). There are four of them in the household and all are deceased (although my Mum is too recent to show). Despite searching using all combinations of firstname surname, day month and year of birth, NONE of them show. Trouble is, despite knowing where they were, I can't search by address, as they were living in flats and the road doesn't even show in the index!! Arrgghhh!!!

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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #231 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Just to say I've found my Auntie Eunice born 1928 and is still alive & well & still got a memory....as I've just spoken to her...... but her record is not closed ! ...

..... however I've not found my mother born 1919 & died 1970, who I believe (& so does Eunice) is living in that same household at the time, as her mother (my grandmother) is also listed as living there along with her sister (Eunice's mum) .... and could well be the recorded closed item in that household.

How do we know the name of the closed person so I can claim that it should be reopened? Surely someone knows how these eradicated people are?

If a record is marked as Closed you cannot know who they are until after what would have been their 100th Birthday when they are automatically opened the only way to open a record is by producing a death certificate and sending it off to be verified to open. People who died after 1991 and not yet gone past their 100th birthday mark will also be closed  however i have found people who died before 1991 still closed
Jones, Rhodes, Lindley, Bell, Sherwin , Brooke, Storr

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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #232 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Yahoo - I'm hugging myself with glee because I've finally found my mother's sister and brother-in-law.

I made a mistake looking for Elsie Kilvington born 1913 and her husband Herbert b1912.  Today Herbert Kil* brought up a Herbert Kilswington and the street reference number showed he was living with a wife named Elsa Kilswington.

Using a few more frown lines I might just find Elsie's Aunt Min and Uncle Herman/Herbert Fleming.  :D



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Re: 1939 Register up and running
« Reply #233 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 16:17 GMT (UK) »
If you have any questions that can't be answered here, you would be better off asking FindMyPast. You can do a live chat at the bottom of the screen here (with computer & keyboard)

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help/contact

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