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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 01 November 15 14:32 GMT (UK) »
In almost every discussion if opinions are not fairly evenly split, there will be at least a few dissenting voices.  But on this question, interestingly not one reply so far has concurred with destroying the original documents.  :P
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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 01 November 15 14:39 GMT (UK) »
BTW, I agree with everyone else here.  Technology could change too far, too fast, so don't destroy the originals..
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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 01 November 15 14:42 GMT (UK) »
I can't see much evidence here that any records are going to be destroyed. Maybe someone should seek clarification with the authors of the document as to what was meant by the statement, otherwise it's nothing more than speculation.

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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 01 November 15 15:09 GMT (UK) »
I agree, Vervet. The tender document says ‘the Register will not be retained by The National Archives’. Since TNA can’t retain something it has never had, it’s quite some leap of the imagination to say that this means the books are going to be destroyed. They were, and are, in the custody of the HSCIC. I don't know if anyone has asked them directly what they intend to do with the books, but that would seem to be a sensible first step.


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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 01 November 15 19:08 GMT (UK) »
I agree, Vervet. The tender document says ‘the Register will not be retained by The National Archives’. Since TNA can’t retain something it has never had, it’s quite some leap of the imagination to say that this means the books are going to be destroyed. They were, and are, in the custody of the HSCIC. I don't know if anyone has asked them directly what they intend to do with the books, but that would seem to be a sensible first step.

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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #32 on: Monday 02 November 15 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Of course they should not be destroyed.  The question, in my mind, is whether they already have been.  I don't think the fact that they do not explicitly say that they are not going to do so means that it will not be done.  If they admit that they are going to be destroyed, they risk an outcry against it.  Perhaps things are different in England, but if it were here, I would assume they were being destroyed.

I get the feeling that Archives are losing their sense of purpose.  Here in Canada our national library and archives (all one organization) threw out all kinds of material a few years ago.  Publicly, they claimed to have sold some of it and offered it to other libraries/archives, but I never heard them say they were throwing out valuable historical resources, which they did.  This action followed the hiring of a national director who was neither an archivist nor a librarian, but a person with a business background - unprecedented. 

Many of us have the impression that this decision was politically motivated.  We have now soundly turfed out that government, but we don't get our valuable materials back, nor were they scanned.  Gone forever, and it's as if they had never existed, as no trace remains in the electronic indexing.  Poof!  None of us even really know what-all was lost.

I am in possession of some photocopies of materials I searched out in one of our national libraries (which, itself, has been closed, although some materials transferred elsewhere).  I now have what are probably the only copies in existence anywhere, as that library held the only extant originals and there are no microfilms.  They are historically significant.  A genuine chill went down my spine as I realized that although they had survived very well for almost 100 years and were in very good condition when I made my copies a few years ago, they have been obliterated and the only evidence of them is in references in academic articles - and some pages in my personal possession.  I don't even know what to do with them.  Where can one even donate them where they won't be thrown out again?  Nowhere, it seems.

I find all of this quite alarming, especially because I do believe it was political.  In this particular case I feel confident that the material was not offered to other libraries/archives because there is excellent reason to believe that one particular library would have been glad to receive it - and it's probably where it should have been in the first place.
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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #33 on: Monday 02 November 15 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Destroying original documents such those would be pure lunacy, they will be needed for years to come to correct errors such as records that missed being digitised.  If any organisation thinks it can digitise masses of records without a few mistakes along the way then they aren't thinking straight, where humans are involved there will always be the risk of human error. 
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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #34 on: Monday 02 November 15 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Destroying original documents such those would be pure lunacy, they will be needed for years to come to correct errors such as records that missed being digitised.  If any organisation thinks it can digitise masses of records without a few mistakes along the way then they aren't thinking straight, where humans are involved there will always be the risk of human error.

Even in the few hours it has been on line people are finding mistakes. I can't find my grandparents, although I know exactly where they were living. I also know the names of their neighbours on both sides, so looked for them, but they aren't there either, so it looks as if a section of the road has been left out. How could this be checked if the originals are destroyed?
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Re: Destruction of Records
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 03:00 GMT (UK) »
To rely on digital records only is utter lunacy.

It only needs for the sun to give a burp in our direction, and ALL electrical and electronic equipment will be junk.

Just think of your bank records being wiped out :o :o :o :o

It happened once before at the very beginning of the electrical era, about 1859, and the telegraph operators had sparks coming out from the wires to their desks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859