Who are these people?

[jasiain]

Hi, in a family grave in Scotland are the following people........Jane Hoey or Bell died 14/6/1906
Janet B Young (nee Bell)died 7/7/1909
Jane Sloan(nee McLeod) died 9/12/1912
William Lochrie died 26/10/1916 age 43
John Young died 8/11/1929 age 75
In 1891 John Young age 36 is staying at 9 Twechar rows with his wife Janet B Young age 31 both b Antrim,they are still there in 1901.
A tree on a commercial site has Johns parents as William Young and Jane Hoey,Howie etc
William Lochrie (b Linlithgow) married a Martha ?Bell they are in Twechar in 1901.
Jane McLeod is also in Twechar in 1911 with her son in law and daughter.(Isaac and Martha Kennedy)she also registered the birth of John Youngs son John in 1876 in Antrim.She is my gg grandmother but I havent a clue how she is or if related to any of these people.
The owner of the grave was a James Bell brother of Janet B Young.
Any help greatfully appreciated.
Jane McLeod (Sloan) stayed in /near Kilnock and there are 2 possible  births for children of William and Jane Hoey in Connor.I do not need any information for Jane McLeod just help in trying to find a connection with these people.Thanks Jasiain

[aghadowey]

Possibly very easy to sort out with Scottish records. Daughter Jane born 1891 Kirkintillock (parents John Young & Janet Bell)- her birth certificate should list date and place of parents' marriage, their marriage certificate will give you more details, etc.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXG-QZ2

You can use Family Search, Scotland's People and GRONI to fill in gaps.

[jasiain]

Hi I already had their son Samuels birth cert which gives their marriage as November 1875 Antrim
on NIDirect tonight I found it was 15th December 1874 at Ballymena Registry Office,John Young (father John)of townland of Craigs/Crags.
Jane Bell (father William) of Castlegore, Connor.One of the witnesses was a Janet Law Bell.

[ianlochrie]

My Grandfather, William Lochrie, married Martha Bell who came from Ballymena. They had 3 sons, William, Archie and John and 2 daughters, Martha and Janet.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

I am offering this to see if you think any of the namesakes are likely and the location by townland connects other eg
from http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/connor-parish.php#.V1xLJFeoc5Q
Bell, Andw.   Townland: Tannybrake Year: 1835
Bell, D.      Townland: Galnagh Year: 1835
Bell, D.      Townland: Tullynamullion Year: 1835
Bell, James   Townland: Gilgad Year: 1835
Bell, James   Townland: Maxwellswalls Year: 1835
Bell, John   Townland: Barnice Year: 1835
Bell, John   Townland: Tardree Year: 1835
Bell, John   Townland: Whapstown Year: 1835
Bell, Saml.   Townland: Whapstown Year: 1835
Bell, Thomas   Townland: Artnagullion Year: 1835
Bell, Thomas   Townland: Gilgad Year: 1835
Bell, Thomas   Townland: Lislonnon Year: 1835
Bell, Willm.   Townland: Maxwellswalls Year: 1835  there are 19 other named  living in Castlegor at this time, none of the Youngfound

Craigs has no tithe records?

Griffiths valuation
 is about 25 years older  ie about 186010
youngs in the two parishes in Griffiths valuation http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php  these are about 1860

Bell   Alexander   Cromkill   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Alexander   Tawnybrack   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Alexander   Tullynamullan   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Allan   Maxwell's Walls   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Anne   Whappstown   Connor   Antrim
Bell   David   Castlegore   Connor   Antrim
Bell   David   Crevilly Valley   Connor   Antrim
Bell   David   Ross   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Eliza   Tullynamullan   Connor   Antrim
Bell   George   Artnagullian   Connor   Antrim
Bell   James   Barnish   Connor   Antrim
Bell   James   Kilgad   Connor   Antrim
Bell   James   Shane's Castle   Antrim   Antrim
Bell   James   Tardree   Connor   Antrim
Bell   James   Village of Connor   Connor   Antrim
Bell   James   Whappstown   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John   Barnish   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John   Cromkill   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John   Kells   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John   Village of Kells   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John   Whappstown   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John, Jr.   Barnish   Connor   Antrim
Bell   John, Sr.   Whappstown   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Mary   Castlegore   Connor   
Bell   Thomas   Connor   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Thomas   Kilgad   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Thomas   Lislunnan   Connor   Antrim
Bell   Thomas, Jr.   Lislunnan   Connor   Antrim
Bell   William   Castlegore   Connor   Antrim
Bell   William   Connor   Connor   Antrim
Bell   William   Tullynamullan   Connor   Antrim
Bell   William   Whappstown   Connor   Antrim

Bell   John   Crankill   Craigs   Antrim
 




Young   Elizabeth   Crankill   Craigs   Antrim
Young   Isabella   Lisnahunshin   Craigs   Antrim
Young   James      Ballyconnelly   Craigs   Antrim
Young   James      Crankill   Craigs   Antrim
Young   James      Fenaghy   Craigs   Antrim
Young   John      Crankill   Craigs   Antrim
Young   John      Crankill   Craigs   Antrim
Young   John      Fenaghy   Craigs   Antrim
Young   John      Fenaghy   Craigs   Antrim
Young   Robert      Craigs      Craigs   Antrim
Young   Thomas   Kildowney   Craigs   Antrim
Young   William   (Fenaghy House),Fenaghy   Craigs   Antrim


Young   Francis   Maxwell's Walls   Connor   Antrim
Young   Hugh      Lislunnan   Connor   Antrim
Young   James      Village of Kells   Connor   Antrim
Young   John      Kells      Connor   Antrim
Young   Joseph      Ballee      Connor   Antrim
Young   Robert      Craigs      Craigs   Antrim
Young   Robert      Kells      Connor   Antrim
Young   Samuel   Lisnawhiggel   Connor   Antrim


Mc Leod   Archibald   Tromra   Layd   Antrim
Mc Leod   John   James Street,Ballymena   Ballyclug   Antrim
Mc Leod   John   James' Street,Ballymena   Ballyclug   Antrim
Mc Leod   Samuel   Carnlea   Kirkinriola   Antrim

Hoey   Charles   Eden,North-East Division   Carrickfergus   Antrim
Hoey   David   Village of Connor   Connor   Antrim
Hoey   John      Maxwell's Walls   Connor   Antrim
Hoey   Joseph      Eden,North-East Division   Carrickfergus   Antrim
Hoey   Matthew      Castlegore   Connor   Antrim
Hoey   Matthew      Castlegore   Connor   Antrim
Hoey   Robert         Castlegore   Connor   Antrim
Hoey   Robert         Craigs   Craigs   Antrim
Hoey   Robert   Ross      Connor   Antrim
Hoey   William   Maxwell's Walls   Connor   Antrim


No Lochrie found

if you look up in Griffiths valuation at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ you will have a date for each person more info and a map ref if you are lucky eg Castlegore
Finally i was going to check all against the irish census 1901 in case a link or two of more irish links show up.

 Good luck

[jasiain]

Thank you BallyaltikilliganG I think that one of the Matthew Hoeys mentioned is Jane Bell nee Hoeys father.

[jasiain]

Over the past few months I have managed to work out who these people are,still no firm conformation as to how they relate to any of my family other than the John Young mentioned whose mother was Jane Sloan.(Taken from death cert on SP.)Possible sister in law to Jane Sloan nee McLeod.
To confuse things further,in the same graveyard there is a lair owned by a Maggie Bell in which are my great grandparents and 2 great aunts.Isaac Kennedy and his wife Martha Sloan.Their 2 children Annie and Jeanie.Information taken from the records at the graveyard state that Jeanie interred 1921 was a cousin to Maggie Bell,but when her father dies the relation to Maggie is given as sister in law.I feel I have spent the past 6 months going round in circles.I dont want any information on the Kennedys, I just want to know who Maggie Bell is?   
Would someone whisk a Maggie Sloan from somewhere ;)If Martha had a sister Margaret she must have been born before 1864 as I have her brothers and sisters after that date.All born Toome/Ahoghill,Antrim.I can find no marriage in Ireland or Scotland.(Marthas father Alexander Sloan)
 

[BallyaltikilliganG]

hi jasiain
have you seen the 217 births of Margaret Bells listed in http://www.ancestryireland.com/
if she was Miss or Mrs Margaret bell

have you seen  http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
Bell
1st Ahoghill   1876   Erected by Margaret Ann Bell in memory of her husband John Bell died 30th March 1876 aged 37 years And her son James died 16th May 1878 aged 15 years Margaret Ann McMullan wife of John Bell died 16th Nov 1912 aged 68 years William Robinson died 8th May 1959 aged 69 years
Bell
Connor New Cemetery   1900   Erected by Jane and Agnes Bell, in loving memory of their dear mother Nancy Bell, wife of David Bell, Kells, who departed this life 26th March 1900, aged 71 years. Also their father David Bell, who departed this life 30th January 190?(6)(, aged 92 years. And the above-named Agnes Bell, died 16th July 1927, aged 66 years. love by all. Also their sister Margaret Bell who died 8th March, 1929, aged 74 years. worthy of remembrance. Also the above-named Jane Bell, died 27th June, 1936, aged 80 years.
Bell
Connor New Cemetery   1941   In loving memory of John Bell, Castlegore, died 24th April 1941 aged 81 years. And his wife Margaret Bell, died 15th April 1941 aged 69 years. Their grandson John W. Bell died 25th Dec. 1942 aged 4 years
Bell
Connor New Cemetery   1941   In loving memory of John Bell, Castlegore, died 24th April 1941 aged 81 years. And his wife Margaret Bell, died 15th April 1941 aged 69 years. Their grandson John W. Bell died 25th Dec. 1942 aged 4 years
Bell
First Broughshane Presbyterian Church   1949   Bell In loving memory of Alexander Bell died 18th July 1949 Also his wife Margaret Mary died 18th August 1963 Also their son Alexander died 17th November 1985 Loved and Remembered
Bell
St Patrick's Church of Ireland, Broughshane   1859   In memory of William Bell of Newery who departed this life on the 22nd July 1859 aged 51 This above is erected as a small tribute to his worth by P.Lucas & Son, Soho Founddry Newery in whose employment deceased was for 38 years Charlotte Bell his daughter who departed this life 4th Sept 1867 aged 27 years Also his beloved wife Margaret Bell who departed this life 3rd Jany 1872 aged 66 years

Sloan
Clough Graveyard   1881   Erected, by, Elizabeth Sloan, of Tullybane In loving memory of, her husband James Sloan who died 31st Oct 1881, aged 72 years Also their daughters Betty who died Feb 1856, aged 2 years & 9 months Margaret died at Michigan USA 30th September 1896, aged 24 years And their son Robert who died 31st Dec 1903, aged 35 years Also the above named Elizabeth Sloan, died 21st June 1911, aged 78 years 'I am the resurrection and the life'
Sloan
1st Ahoghill   1912   Erected by John Sloan in loving remembrance of his son William Sloan, B'macilroy who died on Wednesday January 23rd 1912 aged 34 years Also his wife Margaret Sloan died 4th February 1925 aged 25 years Also the above John Sloan died June 1936 Their son Samuel died 25th September 1966 His wife Elizabeth died 28th May 1984 'Rest in the Lord' Sloan
Sloan
1st Ahoghill   1850   In memory of Robert Sloan, Cardonaghy, died 8th May 1850 aged 72 years Also his wife Margaret Sloan died 20th May 1860 aged 81 years And their son Edward Sloan died 18th May 1895 aged 88 years Also his wife Jane Sloan died 18th January aged 88 years Also their son Robert Sloan died 15th August 1852 aged 3 and a half years Also his great grandson Jack Sloan died 3rd Nov 1906 aged 12 years Sloan
thats all i can offer

[Rosinish]

To confuse things further,in the same graveyard there is a lair owned by a Maggie Bell in which are my great grandparents and 2 great aunts.Isaac Kennedy and his wife Martha Sloan.Their 2 children Annie and Jeanie.Information taken from the records at the graveyard state that Jeanie interred 1921 was a cousin to Maggie Bell,but when her father dies the relation to Maggie is given as sister in law.

You need to check who gave what info. as the info. on ANY death cert. is only as good as the informant's knowledge & very often not correct.

People don't realise what info. is needed when registering a death until they get there & are confronted with the questions i.e. some of it will be guess work if they are unsure.

Annie