LAWLESS

[lawless48]

Hi everyone

John Lawless PANCRAS 1861/ 1866

I am trying to locate a census / record for the following:

1) John Lawless 3 Rectory ? Marylebone St Thomas 1861 aged 52 Born Ireland
Whether there is a child Rose in residence?

2) Possible death John D Lawless: 1866 PANCRAS aged 58 cause ? Any names reporting death / address

Reason: My decades long search  - trying again and keeping fingers crossed to locate my ancestor Rose Lawless, born 1852 approx. Cork but married a John Street 1867 while living in Leather Lane Verulm Place Pancras, according to 1871 Census. Marriage certificate listed John Lawless as father but I have never been able to locate him:

In the Household (1871) a sister possibly Ellen 1857  - please note that 1871 Census rather jumbled but conforms Rose as born in Cork - it could, if this is John, explain why Ellen is living with the family - father had died.

Sometime between birth and marriage the family moved to London - but I have had no luck tracing any passage details

I am hoping that the Rectory Road/ Street? not sure if this still exists? or Death will indicate Rose's name somewhere and any other names?

Please can I thank you for looking and offering any help inn advance

Best Wishes

Steve

[groom]

Is this the one you mean in 1861, it's the only one I can see?

RG 9; Piece: 75; Folio: 15; Page: 25
15, Adam Street East, Marylebone   (not the same as you give)

Richard S Morgan   22 
Elizabeth Morgan   23
John Lawless           52  married    Coach Maker    Gowsom, Ireland

There is no relationship give to the Morgans, so I think it could be that he was a separate household. No one else there.

[groom]

Possible death John D Lawless: 1866 PANCRAS aged 58 cause ? Any names reporting death / address

I'm afraid the only way to see that is to buy the death certificate.

Sometime between birth and marriage the family moved to London - but I have had no luck tracing any passage details

Again I'm afraid you are unlucky, as there were, as far as I know, no passenger lists of people travelling to and from Ireland.

[lawless48]

Hi Groom

Many thanks for checking and for your help

Oh well, I thought this could be the one

Best Wishes

STEVE

[rosie99]

In the Household (1871) a sister possibly Ellen 1857  - please note that 1871 Census rather jumbled but conforms Rose as born in Cork - it could, if this is John, explain why Ellen is living with the family - father had died.

I can see a Rose Street in Holborn in 1871 with husband John.  The census does not give a place of birth for John but I suspect the pobs are all on the wrong line as it gives Rose (20) as bn Middlesex, her 2 yr old daughter Mary Ann as bn Ireland - her 2mth son John bn London and her sister Ellen age 13 also listed as Street as bn London.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDK-XDL

[dawnsh]

John Lawless PANCRAS 1861/ 1866

I am trying to locate a census / record for the following:

1) John Lawless 3 Rectory ? Marylebone St Thomas 1861 aged 52 Born Ireland
Whether there is a child Rose in residence?

Where does the reference 3 Rectory? come from?

[lawless48]

Thanks Rosie

Yes it is Cork  - Rose is my Mum's Great Grand Mother and her mother said that 'Granny Street' had been born in Cork - the Census is a bit jumbled but subsequent ones bear it out  - Cork about 1852  - also Ellen 1857 Cork listed as sister  - seems to fit in with father having died?

Groom has checked the Rectory address which I found on ancestry website but its not the correct one for John

Looks impossible but I have come across several Johns living in Pancras and St Lukes

Thanks for your help

Steve

[..claire..]

Hi

I suspect the reference to '3 rectory ? Marylebone' refers to the sub-district 'Rectory', this covers the 1861 census " Class: RG 9; Piece: 75; Folio: 15; Page: 25" that Groom found

http://www.stcaths.com/downloads/london_registrations.pdf

claire

[dawnsh]

Hi Claire

I was hoping that Steve would come back and might say that he had found another entry, not the one Groom mentioned.

John D Lawless 'could' be Domnic J Lawless in the 1861,  RG 9; Piece: 114; Folio: 47; Page: 27;