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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 October 15 23:54 BST (UK) »
JMC's baptism states father James was Wool Dealer.

JMC's funeral notice mentions he was " a leading member of the Weslyan Connexion"

In 1841 in Kettering,  father James Snr is 70, a Wool Stapler.
Mary is 60.
HO107 / Piece: 803 / Book: 17 /Pg1

James Snr probably died 1842 (FreeBMD)

Looks like Mary  here in 1851, maybe?:

Keightley Lane, Kettering, Northamptonshire
HO107 / Piece: 1744 / Folio: 139 / Pg
Head: Henry FISH , 48, Super-------, Weslyan Minister, b Hooton Pagnell, Yorkshire
Wife: Anne FISH, 49, b Kettering, Northamptonshire
Dau: Selina C FISH, 22, unm, b Bramley, Yorkshire
Dau: Mary A FISH , 14, b Hull , Yorkshire
Mother-in-Law: Mary COLE 74, Proprietor of Lands & Houses, b Luton, Bedfordshire

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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #10 on: Friday 09 October 15 23:59 BST (UK) »
The 1851 census clears this up a little

The address is the give away ( the 1861 transcription was correct as to what can be seen but is wrong in fact!  ;D )

1851 Nunnery House James is said to be 35 ( b1816)

1861 Nunnery House - so the strong assumption must be an error in the age as it looks to be.

Added: Found the 1841 - Address - The Street named Nunnery West Rothwell Kettering

Interesting names - ( for me anyway) Srah and Jane Bradshwaw are living there - no indication of status

But an unnamed Partridge aged 60 is there. Partridge is also a family name that has links to Cole and Hine and Gibbins
Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 October 15 00:27 BST (UK) »
From FreeBMD:
Selina Cole FISH died 1900, age 71, registered Kettering
Mary A F FISH died 1913 age 77, registered Kettering (she was Mary Ann Frances FISH)

Looks like  Selina FISH was named after a COLE Aunt:

DEATH 1837:
Reported: Leicester Chronicle - Saturday 02 September 1837
Died, Sunday 20th after a few days' illness, Miss Selina COLE , third daughter of James COLE, Wool Stapler, Kettering.

So now there is issue of James & Mary:
Anne COLE b abt 1802
James Montague COLE b 1812
Selina COLE , died 1837
[Daughter] COLE

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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 10 October 15 00:31 BST (UK) »
1851 census which David found in Nunnery House, Rothwell .

E. A. GIBBINS age 43 married sister of James is living/visiting, born Kettering

I cannot find a marriage in the index for Gibbins/Cole but there is this
Henry FISH of Brackley and Ann COLE otp married 7 Aug 1827 at Kettering.

So James has 2 sisters.


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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 10 October 15 00:35 BST (UK) »
Found the Gibbins marriage now

William   GIBBINS   of Milton Earnest, Bedfordshire   Cyana Alison   COLE    otp    1826   19-Jul at    Kettering

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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 10 October 15 00:39 BST (UK) »
Cyana was born ( possibly ) 1807

Selina is also intertwined in Gibbins/Cole family as Cyanna named a daughter born (1838-1841)  after Selina Cole passed
Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 10 October 15 00:51 BST (UK) »
So James has 2 sisters.

Three sisters: 

Anne (married FISH)
Cyanna Alison (married GIBBINS) 
Selina (died 1837) (death notice stated her to be third daughter)

Getting closer to Mary's ms, I feel....... ;D

Reported in The Jurist, and the London Gazette 1842, and various newspapers incl:
Leamington Spa Courier - Saturday 09 April 1842:
James COLE, Woolstapler, Dealer and Chapman of Kettering, Northamptonshire.
In May 1842, George Inn, Kettering : Fiat of Bankrupcy was awarded and issued against him  & he was ordered to appear and disclose his full financial situation.

Seems rather ominous that he looks to have died so very soon after - per the Death registration of Jun Qtr 1842, Kettering.

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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 10 October 15 01:00 BST (UK) »
Snap

James Cole married a Mary Bradshaw in Luton Bedford July 9 1795

This shows a relationship to the Bradshaws in the census in 1841 - assuming Mary and Jane can be linked as sisters
Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: James montague cole
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 10 October 15 01:12 BST (UK) »
And in the 1851 census (I think) Mary gives her birthplace as Luton (transcribed as Suton)