Mary Swinney, b.1800.

[NinOfEden]

I'm looking for information about my 4 greats grandmother, Mary Swinney, who was born in Ireland around 1800. I know that in the 1830s she was living in Knottingley in Yorkshire with her husband, John Howram, who was a sailor. Their children were John Hanson (1834-1897), George (b.1838) and Sarah (b.1845).
I'd really like to know where she came from and who her parents were - it's even possible she'd been married before, or that she and John had lived in Ireland together.

[myluck!]

Irish records are really hit and miss in the early 1800s and earlier for many historic reasons
Only knowing that Mary is from Ireland is going to be a difficult search

have you located her on UK census returns?
is there any chance she stated a county on one of those?
do you know where she married? - the church record may have recorded her original home

[NinOfEden]

Yeah, I've been really struggling to find any Irish records at all from that date; I asked on the offchance someone might know of a Mary Swinney who vanished off to England.
I know she married John Howram in Pontefract on 16th March 1834 - so she might have already been pregnant with their first son, who was baptized on 9th November of that year. She appears as John's wife on the 1841 census; Neither of these records give any more clues as to where she was born.

[jacquelineve]

Any Swinney witnesses at marriage? Any born Ireland living near to her in 1841 census?

Jackie

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Hi NinOfEden,
Confusions I find three families


A.as posted by you and found in 1851 census
John Howram b 1818 a sailor  m 16/03/1834 Mary Swinney b Ireland b1813 1851 census
living in Knottingley in Yorkshire in 1830s occupation lime burner Labourer in 1851
children
1.   John Hanson (1834-1897) not listed in 1851 at this address
possible marriages Marriages Sep 1851   (>99%) to one of the below
RHODES    Emma        Pontefract    22   398    
WALKER    Mary        Pontefract    22   398    
WILSON    Sarah        Pontefract    22   398    
WOOD        Ellen        Pontefract    22   398   
2.   Lavinia Howram 1837 in 1851 census
3   George Howram (b.1838)
4.    Kitson Howram b. 1839
5.   Richard Howram b 1842
3.   Sarah Howram (b.1845). in 1851 census
 
B as found in in 1851
however also in 1851 census is a family with parents described as paupers
John Howram b 1786    Knottingley m Mary b 1794 cork living in    Forge Hill Lane Hill Top Pontefract
children
John Howram b 1835 Knottingley working as Agricultural labourer in 1851 census

C. as found in in 1851 census
William Howram b 1791 Knottingley m Hannah Howram b 1786 Knottingley
as Agricultural labourer in 1851 census living at House Name Holes, Knottingley, Pontefract
children
John Howram b 1831 as Agricultural labourer in 1851 census

from www.GenesReunited.com There appears to be several Howram trees including a string of John Howram born Knottingley West Yor...If I. move to 1779 John Howram on 6 members trees, a few odd ones then1815 John Howram on 13 members trees a few odd ones then1834 John Howram on 11 members trees Pontefract appears to be about 2 miles away so close
john marriages 1813,1834,1837, all under wakefield district and requiring payment1851 Pontefract
You would need to become amember of GR to contact the tree holders
if they had a son John Hanson Howram married in 1858 , he might have married to one of two people:Mary TRUEMAN  Louisa MOORE   others found mary ann howram d1841 b 1832
mary howram  deaths1849 b 1813 2 entries, 1856.

MARY ANN HOWRAM Pontefract District Marriages Year1850 Birth Year 1831

So I ma leaving it to you to sort it out if it a problem Good luck onwards

[NinOfEden]

Yes, there were a LOT of Howrams around Knottingley and Pontefract in the C19th - I have all the ones I'm interested in pretty much sorted out, it's just this Mary Swinney who's giving me trouble! thanks for looking them up for me, though.