William, Eliza, Ellen and Winifred DAVIES

[LynnKit]

Hi
William, born in London and Eliza (formally Sweeny, born in Dublin) had several children after marrying in Dublin.  They were living in London in 1871 (census).  After moving to London they had twins Ellen and Winifred in 1868, born in Horselydown, Southwark. (1881 census).  However I cannot find either Ellen or Winifred in any of the births.  I can find Ellen's marriage (to George Kitson in 1889) and her death in 1893.  I cannot find a marriage for Winifred.  It is also difficult finding a death for Eliza and even more so for William (mainly due in this case to his name being fairly common)!

Any ideas please.
Lynn

[groom]

It could be that they didn't register them, as before the Births and Deaths Registration Act of 1874 it was up to the local registrar to find out about births and record the details, and parents weren't fined if a birth wasn't registered. A lot of people thought that having a child baptised was enough. After 1874  it was the responsibility of parents to register the birth within 42 days or they became liable to a fine of £2.

[groom]

There is a possible marriage for Winifred Davies to Thomas Kingsmill December quarter 1890 St. Saviour Southwark Volume   1D  Page   373.

Then England Select Marriages, 1538–1973 have:

Winifred Davis
Birth Date about   1870
Marriage Date:   25 Dec 1890
Marriage Place:   St. John, Walworth, Surrey
Father:   William Davis
Spouse:   Thomas Kingsmill

[groom]

A Winifred Kingsmill, a bottler, dob given as 1869 and 1870, religion RC, married, was admitted to Newington Workhouse on Wednesday 15th November 1899 and again 3rd January 1900.

[groom]

Possible death

Winifred Kingsmill
Birth:   abt 1868
Date of Registration:   Mar 1943
Age at Death:   75
Lewisham
Volume:   1d  Page:   925

[groom]

There are 3 more workhouse records for Winifred Kingsmill, and although her date of birth is given as 1873, I think it could be the same person as in all cases she is described as wife of Thomas, a carman and religion given as RC.

10th April 1901 admitted to Constance Road Workhouse, Southwark with child Helen born 1900.
14th August 1901 discharged from Constance Road Workhouse on her own request. No mention of 
                            child
13th January 1910 admitted to Constance Road Workouse. Notes say to work.

[LynnKit]

Thank you very much for all this information.  I will go through it all and see what else I might be able to find!
Lynn