Author Topic: George Newton Spencer (Originally from Glasgow B 1882) Lived Hamburg 1908 - 1980  (Read 2229 times)

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Thanks Dave, appreciate the share -  Again with the help of AI...

This is a 1950 Hamburg Commercial Directory, and it is arranged alphabetically under the heading Schiffsmakler (Shipbrokers).

Here's what stands out.

1. Karl Helmts is Here

About halfway down the middle column you have:

Helmts & Co.

Beim alten Waisenhause 11

This is significant because it confirms that Helmts & Co. was still trading in 1950.

Notice that this is not the same address as the 1943 directory.

Year   Address
1943   Neuer Jungfernstieg 7/8
1950   Beim alten Waisenhause 11

So the firm had relocated sometime between 1943 and 1950.

2. Menzel & Co. is Also Here

Further down the same column:

Menzel & Co., Schiffsmakler

Hamburg 11

Bei den Mühren 67/71

That suggests Menzel had established his own brokerage by 1950.

This strengthens the idea that the people listed under Spencer & Co. in the wartime directory were experienced shipping professionals who later followed their own careers.

3. Spencer & Co. is Missing

I do not see:

Spencer & Co.
George Spencer

That absence is meaningful.

It tells us that by 1950 either:

Spencer had retired,
the company had ceased trading,
the business had been absorbed,
or George was no longer advertising commercially.

Since we know George was still alive until 1967, it doesn't mean he had left Hamburg—it only tells us the firm was no longer listed under its former name.

The Address Change is Interesting
1943

Helmts & Co.

Neuer Jungfernstieg 7/8



1950

Helmts & Co.

Beim alten Waisenhause 11

Companies often moved offices after the war because:

bomb damage,
reconstruction,
changing business needs,
or post-war property reallocations.

So the address change is not surprising.

A Timeline is Emerging
Year   Spencer & Co.   Helmts & Co.   Menzel
1943   ✔ Operating   ✔ Operating   Listed with Spencer
1950   ✘ Gone   ✔ Still operating   ✔ Own company

This suggests that Helmts & Co. was not simply a renamed Spencer & Co. Instead, it appears to have been an independent shipbroker that survived the war.

One Detail I Find Especially Interesting

Look closely at the sequence:

George Spencer employed or worked closely with Karl Helmts.
George Spencer employed or worked closely with Hans Menzel.
By 1950:
Helmts had an established brokerage.
Menzel had an established brokerage.
Spencer's company had disappeared.

That pattern may suggest Spencer may have acted as a senior figure or mentor within a network of Hamburg shipbrokers, with trusted associates later continuing independently after the war.