McIlvenna / Crozier

[Reeni1]

From Rose anna McIlvenna 1907 Scottish death certificate, I have learned parents are Hugh McIlvenna and Rose Crozier.  From Irish marriage record 1855 (Belfast) confirmation of Hugh McIlvenna as father with occupation, weaver. 
No birth date for Rose Anna McIlvenna but sources suggest about 1837, possible Armagh.   
Any information on Rose McIlvenna or her parents would be appreciated.  Addresses, birth ceritificate etc.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

I tried
There are not many households in Co Antrim in Griffiths valuation see http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
date about 1860
Mc Ilvennan   William   Ballygallagh   Ballylinny   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Joseph   Main Street,Crumlin   Camlin       Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Mary      Caddy      Drummaul   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Charles   Ballyclare   Grange of Doagh   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   John   Ballynadrentagh   Killead      Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Susan   Ballynadrentagh   Killead      Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Henry   Springwell Street,   Ballymena   Kirkinriola   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Anne      Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Charles   Cloghs   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Michael   Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Patrick   Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   John      Garvaghy/Town of Portglenone   Portglenone   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Alexander   Dock Townparks Meadow Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Alexander   Dock Townparks Meadow Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   James      Dock Townparks Vere Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   James      Dock Townparks Vere Street   Shankill   Antrim

I did the samer for Crozier. The only overlaps were Kirkinriola and Shankill

in 1901 census the only Hugh in Ireland is
17 in Lisrodden (Lisnagarran, Antrim)
McIlvenna   Sarah   45   Female   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   -   Read and write   -   Widow   -
McIlvenna   Hugh   15   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Agricultural Labourer   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McIlvenna   John   20   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Agricultural Labourer   Read and write   -   Not Married   -

in 1901 census the only Rose in Ireland is
8 in Antynanun (Slemish, Antrim)
McIlvenna   Rose   28   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McIlvenna   Mary   23   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Thompson   Mary Anne   48   Female   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Cannot read   -   Married   -


www.ancestryireland.com
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1839   PATRICK   Antrim   
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1855   HUGH   Antrim   
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1885   JOHN   Antrim
ROSE   MCILVENNA   1839   JOHN   Antrim   Log in Register
ROSE   MCILVENNA   1851   JOHN   Antrim   

emerald ancestry   

Belfast Street directories don’t list Hugh but there are Mrs McIlvenna, he/they could be living with his widowed mother see http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk There are street directories searchable at PRONI

so nothing but negative results
good luck, hoping others join in
BallyaltikilliganG

[Reeni1]

Thank you so very much, alot to sift through.  Thank you for doing Crozier cross match that might give more clues for location, as the census records in Scotland have not beenvery useful.  It's been such a brick wall for me.

[aghadowey]

Not everyone is listed in Griffith's . However, it's possible that Hugh McIlvenna had died before Griffith's (Irish marriage certificates often do not indicate that a parent is deceased).

[Gillian Graham]

I tried
There are not many households in Co Antrim in Griffiths valuation see http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
date about 1860
Mc Ilvennan   William   Ballygallagh   Ballylinny   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Joseph   Main Street,Crumlin   Camlin       Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Mary      Caddy      Drummaul   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Charles   Ballyclare   Grange of Doagh   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   John   Ballynadrentagh   Killead      Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Susan   Ballynadrentagh   Killead      Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Henry   Springwell Street,   Ballymena   Kirkinriola   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Anne      Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Charles   Cloghs   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Michael   Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   Patrick   Callisnagh   Layd   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   John      Garvaghy/Town of Portglenone   Portglenone   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Alexander   Dock Townparks Meadow Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvennan   Alexander   Dock Townparks Meadow Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   James      Dock Townparks Vere Street   Shankill   Antrim
Mc Ilvenna   James      Dock Townparks Vere Street   Shankill   Antrim

I did the samer for Crozier. The only overlaps were Kirkinriola and Shankill

in 1901 census the only Hugh in Ireland is
17 in Lisrodden (Lisnagarran, Antrim)
McIlvenna   Sarah   45   Female   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   -   Read and write   -   Widow   -
McIlvenna   Hugh   15   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Agricultural Labourer   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McIlvenna   John   20   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Agricultural Labourer   Read and write   -   Not Married   -

in 1901 census the only Rose in Ireland is
8 in Antynanun (Slemish, Antrim)
McIlvenna   Rose   28   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McIlvenna   Mary   23   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Thompson   Mary Anne   48   Female   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Antrim   Seamstress   Cannot read   -   Married   -


www.ancestryireland.com
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1839   PATRICK   Antrim   
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1855   HUGH   Antrim   
HUGH   MCILVENNA   1885   JOHN   Antrim
ROSE   MCILVENNA   1839   JOHN   Antrim   Log in Register
ROSE   MCILVENNA   1851   JOHN   Antrim   

emerald ancestry   

Belfast Street directories don’t list Hugh but there are Mrs McIlvenna, he/they could be living with his widowed mother see http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk There are street directories searchable at PRONI

so nothing but negative results
good luck, hoping others join in
BallyaltikilliganG

hi Mc Ilvenna   Joseph   Main Street,Crumlin   Camlin       Antrim would you no his mother and father please .

[Gillian Graham]

hi all looking info on Mc Ilvenna   Joseph   Main Street,Crumlin   Camlin       Antrim if any 1 has in there tree looking to find out his mum and dad brothers , sisters . etc
i no he was married to margaret gray but cant find out her info of her mum and dad or brothers or sisters would any 1 have info on them
also looking married cet please.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

I somehow missed this Joseph from my valuation list previouslyfrom http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/i
Tenant
Family Name 1   JOSEPH MCILVENNA
Landlord Family Name 2   MARIA PALMER
County   ANTRIM
Barony   MASSEREENE, UPPER
Union   ANTRIM
Parish   CAMLIN
Townland   BALLYTROMERY
Place Name   MAIN-STREET
Town   CRUMLIN
Position on Page   6
Printing Date   1862
Act   15&16
Sheet Number   61
Map Reference   24 6 there are more details his property was valued at #1 fiveshillingspa.
he is listed in PRONI Valuation continuation book 
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/1/16A (1864 - 1866)
looks like he had gone by 1885 in next book
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/1/16C (1881 - 1896)

Joseph was a carpenter listed in Crumlin in
1852 Crumlin not listed in Street directory
1861 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_Cpage545.htm#CRUMLIN
1880 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_C1880.htm#CRUMLIN

earlier records
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books based upon the work of the
Irish Genealogy Hub’s listing for each parish in Northern Ireland,
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast the nearest two are Ballinderry which is about 9 miles away
MCILVENA, HANAH-TOWNLAND: BALLYLECKEY YEAR: 1833-BALLINDERRY -ANTRIM
McIlvena, John-Townland: Ballygawn Year: 1834-Carncastle-Antrim
McIlvena, Michl.-Townland: Loughduff Year: 1834-Carncastle-Antrim
McIlvena, Widow Townland: Blackhill Year: 1833-Templecorran-Antrim
McIlvenan, Widow Townland: Carnagall Year: 1832-Loughguile -Antrim
McIlvenna, Bernd.-Townland: Ballyvaddy Year: 1832-Tickmacrevan -Antrim
McIlvenna, Bernd.-Townland: Harp Hall Year: 1832-Tickmacrevan -Antrim
McIlvenna, John-Townland: Ballytresna Year: 1834-Drummaul -Antrim
MCILVENNA, WIDOW TOWNLAND: MOIGIRIFF YEAR: 1833-BALLINDERRY -ANTRIM
McIlvenna, William-Townland: Cavinamrock Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim regarding other possible records the 1851  census at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
has about14 McIlvennas several in Moygarriff townland, Ballinderry and a few in Ballynadrentagh Killead which is also close bye and 1 in Ballymather Upper Killead
some of the above sources may be useful for hugh etc
good luck onwards