Collins in Cork

[taramcdsmall]

I'm presuming Denis Maurice given that he is Denis M on the 1911 Census !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Let's see can we connect Daniel & John so !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

John Collins 1901 Prison Record !

Tara

[lyndo]

That's really good Tara.

I will copy and paste the records. Always looks better when you are showing the family a handwritten record.
As soon as I saw Dow I realised it could be Dou and that las is just shortened lais.

What a great find.

[lyndo]

Well I had missed a few posts when I answered.

Between the two of you Sinann and Tara you have pulled those 2 families together.

I will get the census records printed for Daniel Collins snr (Denis's father) in Merthyr T.

I was pleased to see
  " Ecclesiastical Parish    St John Dowlais"
Maybe I will get his baptism record there - and if so its probably where Hannah Collins 1887,  Daniel Collins 1890-1, and John Collins 1893 are also Baptised.

I shouldn't have quit at midnight  - its a pain that I am about 8 or 9 hrs ahead of you.

Is the John Collins prison record the one for drunkeness with Ellen as contact.
I saw a few of them on Family Search but I don't know how to get them in the proper record like you have for Daniel and Denis, Tara.

I thought it was a bit sad a boy would be stealing groceries. At least in jail he would get food.

You know one thing I feel a bit proud about with these Irish families ( all of them not just my families) is that they could ALL read and write.

I have English families in my line who could not read and write. Many of them who could not sign their name even. And when they got to Australia that didn't change. The Scottish ancestors could also read and write.

Good on Ireland for education standards back in the 1800's
lyndo

[lyndo]

John Collins 1901 Prison Record !

Tara

This is fantastic.
It says he was drunk 15 yrs ago in Merthyr t.  and from West Green Dunmaway.

Oh these are gold nuggets to me.!!

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Lyndo

The issue here still is, how to we prove / disprove that this is the correct family 

I doubt Lena's daughter is going to believe that a ship's captain dying at sea could most likely be a shoemaker who possibly died in an asylum.

Everything else appears to match though, names, ages, residences in Wales, residences in Cork . . .

Have you talked to her since to see how she is taking these finds ?

Tara

[lyndo]

Great questions Tara,

After family discussion today we have decided to Halt the search at this point.

We are going to get death cert for Lena, so we at least have correct year if not actual birthday for her.

I will come back to the thread then.

If the info proves not be this family we have searched out, I will not waste it.

I will put a partial tree on both My heritage and Ancestry so someone can find it, when they come looking.

Hopefully it will be my own tree!!

Thanks to all of you for your help.

lyndo

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Lyndo

Just to note :

The death cert will not prove / disprove anything.

The info is obviously given by someone else and is always prone to errors so as such can't be 'trusted' as fact.

My hope is that some of Lena's siblings descendants will see this thread and be able to shed some light on the family.

Tara