Collins in Cork

[lyndo]

   Hi Rootschatters,


I am searching for a family of John Collins and Ellen Moxley/Moaksley/Mokesley from Cork, Cork Co.

I have them in Wales in Bedwellty in 1891, then Cork in 1901. John is listed as a shoemaker in this record. By 1911 Ellen is Head of Household with last child Lena born 1903.

So John must die between 1903 and 1911.

There is a family story that he died at sea.
I found a record in Marine Register of a death of a John Collins in 1906. From reading resource pages I understand that this record won't have much info - no family members.

I can't find a marriage between any John Collins and a Moaksley/Moxley woman. Ellen Moaxley was born about 1864, so youngest I would guess for marriage is about 15 yrs, so 1879 at the very earliest.
 No one in the family knows the spelling of the  Moaksley name.

I am happy to pay for the info on any site that has records but I just can't find a record to look at.

The parents names, and children's, are so common that I can't even determine a child's birth certificate to purchase, in the hope of finding mother's name.

Can anyone help me with this, please?

Any tips would be appreciated as to how I could proceed.

lyndo

[hallmark]

RC registers are online, free..  registers.nli.ie

[lyndo]

thanks hallmark,

I have worked through the 5 parishes in Cork,  Co Cork.

Baptisms and Marriages.

Can't find them.

[hallmark]

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g8p/  gets you location for Moaksleys in 1901

[conahy calling]

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&UserID=

List of variants of surname on first link

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

Civil Reg Indexes Ireland

Is it possible that the marriage took place in Wales?

[Sinann]

Putting the name Moxley into Griffith's Valuation (from around the late 1850/60s) only gives results for Cork
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
it may be worth looking at parish records in these areas.
One of these men may be her father or grandfather.
The parish listed on these records is the Civil parish NOT the RC parish, that would have to be figured out.

Cork Co,Cork sounds like it refers to the city but my not have been the intended to.

[lyndo]

 That surname place gave me some alternatives.
Most of them I have have used already but Mohally I haven't.

I have searched in FreeBMD for a marriage from all over Uk for John Collins from 1878 to 1886.
Then checked for partner on every name.
returned nothing.
then entered Ellen Moaxly spelled 4 different ways. That was easier as only few women appeared but I did same. No John Collins partner.

I have found Moaksleys in the civil Registrations.
Can't move backwards toward them until I know her proper name.
EG
Child born 1880 named Mary Bridget Collins mother Ellen Coakly father John Collins.
Seems like it must be them but until I get marriage I can't be sure its them.
My Collins family have a Mary born 1886. Does this mean first Mary died and they named next daughter Mary too.

I have been doing family history for yonks and never have I had this trouble!!

[lyndo]

I know I must sound like a dork, Sinann.

I haven't a clue to find out what the parishes are.

When I work it out I might put it on Resources page.

I have had a lot of help from those resource posts.

Seems like my best next step is to print off a map of Cork and work out where all these places are.
I guess I will need a map from 1860 or so.

Then go back to NLI parish records armed with the names of every town and then just work through every set of registers that are on there for the County of Cork.

Doesn't help that I live half way round the world in down under without a clue as to what a townland is or a DED.

Well next task -  get the map and work out the civil parishes in relation to church parishes.
Good geography lesson for me.

I am gonna end up buying 10 birth certificates for one of the children til I get the right one!!!
If I'm blessed it will be the first one I get.   

[conahy calling]

Yes most likely that the first Mary died. (assuming its the same family)

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/

Link with RC parishes

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/civilmaps/
  Civil Parishes on 2nd link

http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html
 link explains DEDs, Reg Districts, townlands