Mary J Campbell bn 1852 Newcastle, Northumberland, England

[Liverbird1]

Having a nightmare on finding info out on the above who is my 2nd gt grandmother.

She married Thomas Williamson.  Her father is James & mother Elizabeth but there are 2 options: Murray (which a few people have on the ancestry tree or Dobson, which is a hint that ancestry keeps giving me).

1861:
Mary Campbell
Age   9
Estimated Birth Year   1852
Relation   Daughter
Father's Name   James Campbell
Mother's Name   Elizabeth Campbell
Gender   Female
Where born   Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish   Cramlington
Town   West Cramlington
County/Island   Northumberland
family:
James Campbell   33
Elizabeth Campbell   29
Mary Campbell   9
John Campbell   5
Elizabeth Campbell   2
William Campbell   6/12


1881:
Name   Jane Williamson
Age   29
Estimated Birth Year   1852
Relationship to Head   Daughter
Father   James Campbell
Mother   Elizabeth Campbell
Gender   Female
Where born   Byker, Northumberland, England
Civil parish   Framwellgate
County/Island   Durham
Country   England
Street Address   44 North Road
Marital Status   Married

1891:
Name   Mary J Williamson
Age   39
Estimated Birth Year   1852
Relation   Wife
Spouse's Name   Thomas Williamson
Gender   Female
Where born   Newcastle; Heaton
Civil parish   Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish   Christchurch
County/Island   Durham
Country   England

1901:
Name   Mary J Williamson
Age   48
Estimated Birth Year   1853
Relation to Head   Wife
Gender   Female
Spouse   Thomas Williamson
Birth Place   Northumberland, England
Civil parish   South Shields

1911:
Name   Mary Jane Williamson
Age in 1911   58
Estimated Birth Year   1853
Relation to Head   Wife
Gender   Female
Birth Place   Bykeshill, Northland
Civil parish   Hexham
County/Island   Northumberland
Country   England

James her Father born ABT 1828 • Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England
DEATH 1891-1901

Is there a way to confirm her Mother?  or anyone have any links?

[suzard]

there is a baptism on Select
Mary Campbell
born 6 Sept 1852
baptism 12 Sept 1852
St Marys Newcastle upon Tyne
father James Cambbell
mother Elizabeth Dobson

but there is no middle name of jane

1861 there is this mary J Campbell
22 Docl St Durham
William Legender Heaad M 36 Master Mariner Durham Sunderland
Mary A Legender wife 36 Newcastle
MARY J CAMPBELL neice 8 newcastle
RG9 3783 87 13

??

Suz

[Annette7]

If you look at the online trees properly they are mostly up the pole - I don't think anyone has realised that there are 2 couples named James and Elizabeth Campbell's in Northumberland with almost identical ages!

I don't believe your James (son of John) is the one who married Elizabeth Dobson (dau. of Joseph) on 22/5/1849 St. Andrews, Newcastle upon Tyne..   As has already been posted a plain Mary bp'd to this couple 12/9/1852 (mothers maiden name given).  Looks like a dau. Jane bp.22/10/1854 too (although mothers name shown as Orbeson??)

I think that James Campbell and Elizabeth Dobson are probably this couple:

1861  Westgate, Northumberland - ref. RG9/3814/59/35

Janes Campbell   33       Boiler Smith           born Tadnat, Northumberland ??
Elizebt Campbell  31                                   born Bedlington, Northumberland
Jane Campbell  6                                        born Newcastle upon Tyne
Marg. Campbell  4                                        born      ditto

The enumerator has unfortunately shortened most of the longer words so heaven knows what 'Tadnat' is supposed to be.

OP's family being:

1861 - Cramlington, Northumberland - ref. RG9/3851/95/48

James Campbell    33     Plate Layer North Eastern Rail     born Haltwhistle, Northumberland ??
Elizabeth Campbell  29                                                    born Sadberge, Durham
Mary Campbell  9                                                            born Newcastle
John Campbell  5                                                                 ditto
Elizabeth Campbell 2                                                       born Blyth
Wm. Campbell 6mos                                                          ditto

Note: on both 1871 and 1881 Census James states he was born Alston, Cumberland!!

It's a shame that Campbell was such a common name in the area as even finding the right birth certificates is difficult.  The least common name in these 2 families is the Margaret Campbell born Mar.1857 Newcastle - her birth certificate would at least give her mothers maiden name - if Dobson then definitely not OP's Elizabeth.    If, however, it's a different maiden name for Elizabeth then it would indeed seem that Elizabeth Dobson is the right lady after all.

Best I can come up with in the absence of online records for the relevant events.

Annette

[WolfieSmith]

There is another James Campbell marriage in Newcastle in the right time frame. Dec qtr 1850. One of the possible brides is an Elizabeth Hutchinson.

Married Elizabeth Campbell is consistently on census as born Sadberge 1831/1832.

There is an Elizabeth Hutchinson baptism in Sadberge, 8 Jan 1832, daughter of William Hutchinson (Publican) and Mary. William and Mary had other children baptized at Sadberge, Jane 1827, John 1829, Ann 1834, William 1836, and Mary 1839.

Mary Jane Campbell (Williamson) is down as born Byker Hill 1851/1852 in 1871 census, and another census, and Byker in 1881 census.

The Hutchinson family have moved from Sadberge to Byker by at least 1851.

1861 census, 21 Byker Hill,
William Hutchinson, 64, Ag. Lab., b. Sadberge, Durham,
Mary Hutchinson, wife, 54, Long Newton, Durham,
Isabella Hutchinson, dau, 15, b. Gainford, Durham,
George Hutchinson, son, 6, b. Byker,
RG 9/3833/45/3

Two doors away is John Hutchinson, Tailor, 30, b. Sadberge, Durham.

This appears to be the same family in 1851, although claiming they are all born Gateshead for some strange reason.

Byker Lane, Byker
William Hutchinson, 54, Ag Lab, b. Gateshead,
Mary Hutchinson, wife, 44, b. Gateshead,
John Hutchinson, son 21, Tailor, b. Gateshead,
William Hutchinson, son, 14, b. Gateshead,
Margaret Hutchinson, dau, 8, b. Gateshead,
Isabella Hutchinson, dau, 5, b. Gateshead,
HO107/2408/202/62

William Hutchinson (Innkeeper) bachelor, married Mary Potts, spinster, by license, Sadberge 8 Nov 1827.

Elizabeth Campbell has a daughter, Jane H. Campbell, age 27, born Dudley, Northumberland, living with her in 1901. A birth on FreeBMD, Tynemouth, Mar 1873. Jane Hutchinson Campbell.  Do a search for a person with that name in the census that can't be mentioned.

You could order James Campbell 1850 marriage cert, conditional on the bride being Elizabeth Hutchinson and not one of the others.

Alan.

[Liverbird1]

^^^ I think your spot on - Jane Hutchinson seems to be the link I'm very tempted to order here birth certificate

theres a 1911 census for:
Jane Hutchinson Campbell
Age in 1911:   38
Estimated birth year:   abt 1873
Relation to Head:   Sister-in-law
Gender:   Female
Birth Place:   Northumberland, England
Civil Parish:   Elswick

Sister is Elizabeth born 1859 as too on the 1911 census married a Lodd.  Elizabeth has a Son James Campbell Lodd