Charles Rhodes

[LynnKit]

I am trying to sort out my husband's great grandfathers birth and death.  I know that he married Mary Ann Dickson from Scotland in 1882, in Eccleshill in Yorkshire.  I have him in the census returns of 1891 and 1901.  I am fairly sure it is him in the 1861, 71 and 81 census, but he gives a different birth place, tho all in Yorkshire, in most of them.  He is not on the 1911 census but his wife is and she says she is married not a widow.

I have looked up variations on his name but without a middle name it is difficult, has anyone any suggestions for finding his birth and death?

Lynn

[Pennines]

According to his marriage details in Parish records his father was Samuel? (Although difficult to read) - and Charles is 24 years old. Hence an approx birth year of 1858 (ish).

When you find him on the early census records with his parents is his father Samuel? If so what was his mother's name? Try looking for a baptism around 1858 with both those parents names. Or have you done that already?

[Annette7]

From the census I have looked at he appears to be the son of Samuel Rhodes (bc.1829 Hawkworth) and Elizabeth - in 1861 in Bradford, shown bc.1858 Oakenshaw, 1871 Headingly with Burley, bc.1858 Oakenshaw - in 1881 he's not at home but boarding elsewhere but his parents are in Manningham and Samuel's occupation is Yarn Warehouseman - on Charles' marriage certificate his father is shown as Samuel, Warehouseman.

Oakenshaw is in the district of Bradford.

Annette

[Calverley Lad]

Taken from the 1891 census at Eccleshill Bradford.
41 Bank    Charles    RHODES    Head    33    M    dom. Coachman    Bradford    
      M A    RHODES            Wife    32            M       SCT    
      Ethel M    RHODES    Dau    7            S    Scholar    Apperley Bridge    
      F A    RHODES            Dau    6            S    Scholar    Pontefract    
      F E    RHODES            Dau    2            S               Apperley Bridge    
      C N    RHODES            Son    1m            S               Eccleshill
Apperley Bridge being a couple of miles down the hill from Eccleshill.
 Brian

[LynnKit]

Thank you for your replies.  His mother's name is Elizabeth, I have looked at some of the birth records on Ancestry but there seem to be a lot of Charles Rhodes, quite a lot in Bradford, (haven't found one for Oakenshaw yet) but none that list Elizabeth and Samuel as parents.  I will keep looking.  Life would be easier if he had a middle name but haven't found one yet!

He seems to be boarding in Eccleshill and is working as a gardener.

Lynn

[Pennines]

Looking at the 1851 census for Samuel -- he seems to have been a 'visitor' in Oakenshaw itself (an area of Cleckheaton.

I cannot see a baptism for Charles though - but as his parents have given his birth place as Oakenshaw -- and on a following census (1871) - given different birthplaces for their other children - you would think that the birthplace was indeed Oakenshaw (which as far as I know is not in Bradford itself).

Neither can I find a baptism for the sister Jane born about 1867, who appears in 1871. Were this family Catholic by any chance? - if so you may find difficulty finding published parish registers for baptisms. You may have to order Charles birth cert - which might be the one listed in the Registration District of Bradford Q/E June 1857. He would still be 3 at the census in 1861. (but it might not be - apologies if it turns out to be the wrong one).

You have also asked about his death.
Unfortunately there seems to be several people named Charles Rhodes born about 1858 (plus or minus a year) - who have died in or around Bradford or Leeds areas over the years. Same for Mary A Rhodes, his wife.

What about the marriage of his child from whom you are descended? Does that indicate whether Charles was deceased at the time of that marriage? It may cut some of the possibilities out.

[Annette7]

One has to remember, too, that not all people had their children baptised anyway.

Census states Elizabeth bc.1833 Rawdon and Samuel bc.1829 Hawksworth, both in the Leeds/Otley area - indeed, Samuel's birthplace is given as Hawksworth, Otley on one census.

Think their marriage could have taken place in June quarter 1856 Otley (cannot find online) where 2 of the possibilities are a Samuel Rhodes and Elizabeth Gascoigne.   Early census and baptisms shows Elizabeth Gascoigne bp.8/1/1832 Rawdon, dau. of William and Dinah.

William and Dinah had 6 children baptised in Rawdon - however, by 1841 his wife is a Martha and 5 of the children he had with Dinah are listed, together with last 2 being an Eliza 6 and Lavinia 2 but although listed as Gascoigne I believe them to be Martha's children, not William's.
Dinah Gascoigne died June quarter 1839 Otley and looks like William Gascoigne remarried to a Martha Crabtree in Sept.qtr.1840 Otley.   No Lavinia Gascoigne birth ca.1839 but there is a Lavinia Crabtree and feel sure that the last 2 children listed in 1841 are Martha's.

Annette 

[LynnKit]

Thank you again.  Good idea looking at the wedding information.  Eva Rhodes (grandmother) married in 1919 and Charles was alive then, but by the time youngest daughter, Louie, married in 1924 he had died.  I looked him up and he died in February 1920, in Eccleshill.  Now all I need (?) to find is Mary Anns death, and where Charles was living between around 1911 and his death !!

I found Elizabeth Gascoigne, thank you but am just trying to chase up the other information you gave me.

Lynn

[Pennines]

There doesn't seem to be a Probate for him if he died in 1920 in Eccleshill. That would have given an address.

You could order the death certificate -- but he may not have died at home.
As for his wife -- just try limiting your search to the same Registration district as Charles to see if there are any with the correct approx birth year as your Mary Ann --for starters.