Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)

[Tam the Dooter]

Hi, Tam. I'm Larkspur's cousin.  Rachael is my GGGrandmother via her son George Henry Edward.  His eldest daughter Gertrude Mary was my paternal grandmother.  I have been researching Rachael for many years and have never found any evidence for a marriage or even any to show where the name 'Angerstein' came from.  There is no known connection with John Julius Angerstein.  George Ovenden of course was married to someone else at the time of his relationship with Rachael.

rumpuscat. Thanks for the reply. Rachael was my first cousin three times removed via the Poultons. I am reaching the conclusion that there was no family connection with the Angersteins except the use of the name but I am intrigued as to why that name was picked by Rachael and i assume George Ovenden; it's probably something we can never know of course.

[avm228]

George Ovenden was present as a witness at Georgina's marriage

And yet she does not name him as father - that is still bugging me. It does not make sense.
Especially as the following week brother George marries, from same address, at sawe church, and names George Angerstein as father.

That is why I threw in the possibility that the witness may be her half brother rather than her alleged father.

Perhaps she was embarrassed re his surname being Ovenden, different from the one she was using, and rather than facing awkward questions it was easier not to name a father?

Yes George did have a son (George Clare Ovenden) who was still alive in 1887 (died 1888) so a possibility as you say.

[Ladyhawk]

Hi

Have you checked the wedding cert on Anc* of Florence Emily ANGERSTEIN and Joseph REEVES in 1890 ?

The vicar has the surname Angerstein crossed out and has written at the bottom " should read Florence Emily Poulton". There is something else written but I am having difficulty reading it

George Ovenden is a witness

I was also looking at that marriage too and this is what I had typed out

Father named as George Angerstein Agent  witnesses George Overden & C Angerstein

The C Augerstein could be Contance whose on the 1881 census with Florence, Henry, Henrietta & Selina Augersten And Mary, Rachael & Georgina Poulton.

Her surname Angerstein has been crossed out and a note added at the bottom of m/c

Angerstein should read POULTON
(x) F E Angerstein should read Florence Emily Poulton
Con? By authority from Somerset House on 6th Jan. 1932 by W() vicar in the presence  of witnesses Joseph & Florence Emily Reeves.

[Tam the Dooter]

Claire t. It reads something like Somerset House have agreed the change. Its only a guess but it coincides with Lillian Reeves reaching 65 and if she needed her birth certificate for some reason - perhaps connected with the pension, the discrepancy in surnames would become apparent.

[lizdb]

1891 This could be George
1891
37 Myddleton Street, Clerkenwell
George Ovenden 61 widower land agent bn Hackney
Annie Anshaw? 36 widow dtr Childrens outfitter bn Hackney

And he dies in 1898

No Will - bother!

[rumpuscat]

I think the Ovendens had lost all their money and property by then.

[lizdb]

BAptism
West Hackney
18 April 1830
George Ovenden, parents George and JAne , Rosebery Place Dalston, builder

1841
Roseberry Cottage, HAckney
George Ovenden 50 architect N
Jane 41 Y
Harriet 20 Y
George 12 Y
Philip 8 Y
William 5 Y
Christopher 4 Y
Elizabeth 77 N

[lizdb]

Marriage
18 Dec 1828
Hackney
George Ovenden widower to Jane Clare spinster

[rumpuscat]

Everyone seems to have lost interest since I joined in.  Why is that?