Clergyman ....or not?

[Beeonthebay]

Hhhmmm some food for thought there.

My ancestor Thomas Brown is living in Liverpool and says on the 1861 census he was born in Dublin.  I've tried looking online for Samuel Brown, but not in a serious way until I knew the occupation.  I haven't gone any further really with this line.

Obviously this man as his father is not a RC priest  so what kind of clergyman would he have been?  The above church marriage is C of E.  Church of Ireland?  Presbyterian?  How did Irish people speak in 1857 regarding religious titles?   I'm sitting here speaking out loud saying clergyman with an Irish accent. 

[Wiggy]

Probably Church of Ireland (i.e. Anglican in Ireland quite probably).

 Another name for clergy was 'Clerk in Holy Orders' I think  -  pretty sure.  Just googled to make sure - yep!!

Reckon your example is definitely Clergyman.

Wiggy 

[Geoff-E]

Another name for clergy was 'Clerk in Holy Orders I think ...

Lots of them in the 1841 census

[ChrissieL]

Interestingly on the WDYTYA episode with Anne Reid (a poor episode) her GG grandfather was transported to Tasmania.  Having served his sentence he became a clerk, but on his Son's marriage certificate his occupation was given as clergyman

Chris

[Beeonthebay]

Yes Chris I noted that last night and I think my Thomas Brown could have been telling porkies too. 

This morning I contacted both the Church of Ireland and the Presbyterian History Society.  Both replied promptly nothing for the Church of Ireland but there was a Samuel Edgar Brown who was a Presbyterian minister and for a few moments there I got all excited. 

This church minister was at Bally something then Athlone, she told me he died in London in 1901 (I was starting to get doubts by now unless he lived to a very old age) and he was married to the daughter of Richard King of Dublin, (I replied after 5pm asking about dates, so don't expect a reply until next Monday but it doesn't matter anyway now   )

I started digging and found church histories for this man at the above churches, sadly for me this Samuel Edgar Brown seems to come from far too posh a family for my humble lot. He gets married a few years after his "son" does too so unless it was his second marriage in his later years he will have to be ruled out unless a miracle happens but this family seem to be high flyers in the church, very, very unlikely to be one of mine!!   

Back to the drawing board.......maybe I should check out the criminal registers. 

[Beeonthebay]

p.s.  I agree it was a very poor episode indeed.  All those records could be found here in the UK and on the Tasmanian Heritage archives, still I suppose the film crew had a nice jolly downunder.

[aghadowey]

Rev. Samuel Edgar Brown (lic. Belfast), son of Rev. John Smith Brown (d.1880) & ? Edgar, nephew of Rev. Dr. John Edgar, retied 12 Sept,1896 and died 24 Mar.1901
1859-1861 First Ballywalter
1861-1878 Athlone
1878-1896 Clough (Antrim)

[Beeonthebay]

Rev. Samuel Edgar Brown (lic. Belfast), son of Rev. John Smith Brown (d.1880) & ? Edgar, nephew of Rev. Dr. John Edgar, retied 12 Sept,1896 and died 24 Mar.1901
1859-1861 First Ballywalter
1861-1878 Athlone
1878-1896 Clough (Antrim)

Thank you Aghadowey, I researched this man thoroughly last week after being given his name by the Irish Presbyterian church, however unless he was very old when he started his ministering he can't be mine.  I am waiting back to hear from them if they know of a DOB for this man, it would have to be a second marriage to Miss King too, as my ancestor was born in 1830 something, this plus the fact I've never heard a word in the family about a man of the cloth or any inklings - this man seems to be quite posh too, unlike my lot..........

[aghadowey]

Samuel Edgar Brown's death registration gives his age as 69, so born c1832.