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« Reply #333 on: Sunday 17 July 16 23:45 BST (UK) »
The Brecon Radnor Express Carmarthen and Swansea Valley Gazzette
and Brynmawr District Advertiser
11 January 1917



                                                           Gipsy Round Up.

 

                                        POLICE CHASE ON LLANGATTOCK MOUNTAIN.


 
                                                         MILITARY ABSENTEES.



At the Crickhowell police court, before Mr A. Beckwith and Mr E. Pirie-Gordon,

Evergreen Herne(27),
Edward Herne (22),
Albert Ryles (23),
Magor Herne (24),
George Herne (30)
and John Herne (36), gipsies, were charged, under the Military Service Acts, with being absentees and failing to report themselves. The court was filled with members of the gipsy tribe, the "fair sex" predominating, and there were animated .scenes. P.c. Hy. Jones (Llangynidr) said he was one of a party of policemen who raided a gipsy encampment in a lonely spot on the Llangattock mountain on Saturday, and, after a sharp and stern chase, captured four of the defendants. P.c. Morgan Lewis (Crickhowell) said he found Geo. Herne in a tent on the mountain nursing a baby. He gave his age as 40. Sergt. Edwards (Crickhowell) said John Herne was observed walking across the mountain. The police opened out and, after a run, he was apprehended. Three of the defendants, George, Evergreen and Magor Hearne, produced their registration cards, and the other man, despite the statement of Sergt. G. S. Duffy, of Brecon, that they were not believed to have been registered, stoutly maintained that they were registered with their relatives at Llantrisant. Mr Beckwjth (to defendants): You offer no reason why you should not be drafted into the Army forthwith? Defendants (in chorus): Quite right. Mr Beckwith: You will be handed over to the military authorities and fined 40s each. The magistrate added that they had candidly admitted that they had failed to comply with the law.

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« Reply #334 on: Monday 18 July 16 20:37 BST (UK) »
 
Sue of Romany Genes Web Site, once told me of a Friend of Hers who wrote of, and was intern a descendant of the Herne's, I never truly gave it much thought only that Sue said the Herne's was one of the Original Romany Family's, I  was never taken in from all that as been wrote from those "so called scholar's" of the past, but I will just put on these posts of the Herne's to show you no matter what those scholars wrote , Gipsies are Gipsies, some more rip roaring than others, but what binds them all is the fact they are Gipsies, not a figment of someone's imagination, a contrived and manufactured unreality, all Gipsys are Gipsys, evan a Gipsy knows that, I just thought it would be good to show some respect to the Herne's, Lee, once said that nearly all of the Gipsy Family from up the north way Came out of the Herons, the Herons and Dark Young's are supposed to be of the Herne's, all them old scholar's, all they wrote about was this and that, they should of wrote about, that and this, Elik telled me of some old wealthy Romany up is way, Dark and old they was, but his words were sad words,

"michael.,"... He said

"They denigh now all knowledge and would not even talk or acknowledge the fact that were of the Gipsys,  these things sadden me."

                       

 Evening Express and Evening Mail Extras Special Edition 15 of April 1909



 
                                             Four Prisoners Remanded at Llandaff


Three brothers of the roving gipsy type-named Benjamin Herne, George Herne, and Albert Herne, together with Harry Ryle's, another memberof the gipsy community, were brought up before MT.E. W. M. Corbett, one of the Llandaff magistrates, this morning charged with assaulting' the police in the execution of their duty. Charles Harrison, of Maindy, described the incidents which led up to the fracas in which Police-constable Thomas, a fellow-officer, was  so seriously injured. that he was unable to appear. At 12.30 on Wednesday morning the constable stated that they found eight gipsies' horses straying about Heathier road. and drove them in the direction of Llandaff, with the intention of impounding them. When  they got to the Cross Inn seven more gipsies came rushing after them with sticks, and started beating them away from the Horses. They succeeded in driving the horses away, and then ran away as fast as they could. Thomas and himself followed them up and on getting near their encampment on Whitchurch-road, the gipsie again sprang upon them, striking out in all directions with their sticks. The eldest  prisoner Ryle's struck witness across the shoulders with his stick, and the other prisoners joined in the attack upon witness. and Thomas. Their helmets were lost in the melee. Inspector Rees asked for a remand, and said that Police-constable Thomas had been kicked so badly that he was laid up in bed.Ryles asked for bail, but Mr. Corbett would not hear of this, and prisoners were remanded in custody until the weekly court at Llandaff on Monday.

                        The Cardiff Times and South Wales Weekly News Saturday April 24  1909


                                                         GIPSIES AND POLICE

Caleb Herne and John Herne, father and son, gipsies, were arrested at Allensbank-road, Upanishad, on Tuesday by P.C. Boothby on a charge of assaulting P-C-s Thomas and Harrison. Four other gipsies were brought before the Llandaff magistrates on Monday and remanded on the same charge. The two Herne's were on Tuesday afternoon taken before an occasional Court of the Llandaff Bench held at Cardiff, Mr Edwin Corbett presiding, and were remanded till Monday next, when they will be brought up with the other gipsies. When charged with the offence, Caleb Herne said he was in his tent that night, and had nothing to do with taking the horses from the two policemen. He never touched the police men, but he told them he would do so if they struck him. John Herne said, I was there, but never done nothing. P.S. Bennett stated that prisoners had been identified by P.C. Harrison as taking part in the assault upon him and P.C. Thomas. Prisoners were remanded until Monday next.


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« Reply #335 on: Monday 18 July 16 22:01 BST (UK) »
 


                                         Hull daily mail Monday 16 september1918



                                                   BEFORE HULL BENCH TO-DAY.


                                                        A Gipsy and the Army.




Mr J. Watson (chairman) and Mr J. P. Elvin heard the cases.
Jack Smith, a young gipsy, was charged with failing to join the Army. —Lieut. W. H. Griffith (National Service Ministry) prosecuted.—Smith said he was not old enough. He was 18 in March, but was willing to go. He had sent for his birth certificate, but it had not come.—An officer said he was in Canning-street, where he saw prisoner, and told him he was suspected of being a deserter from the Army. He replied: "I have never been in the Army," but he had nothing show why he should not be in the Army.—Lieut. Griffiths said Smith was brought to the City Hall, and told him he was under 18. Lieut. Griffiths told him that they did not want to recruit him if he were not liable, but certainly he looked over 18. He gave him the opportunity to get a birth certificate. He believed he was a travelling hawker. The officer added that prisoner's wife said he was Pte. George Smith, of the South Staffordshire Regiment.—Prisoner: That is my cousin.—Prisoner was handed to the authorities. 

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« Reply #336 on: Monday 18 July 16 22:15 BST (UK) »



                                      Northampton mercury Friday 25 August 1916



                                                               ROUNDING UP.



                                       POLICE VISIT GIPSY CAMP AT CANONS ASHBY.



A police raid on a gipsy encampment at Canons Ashby was described at the special Sessions held at Daventry on Saturday, when, before Mr. H. VV. White and Mr. Edgar (Mayor of Daventry), Nathan Smith (28), Nathan Smith (34), and Henry Bates, gipsies, were charged with being absentees under the Military Service Act. Inspector Bailey said that accompanied by P.S. Woodruff and a number of constables he visited a field at Canon's Ashby on Friday and found nine caravans. When he approached two of the prisoners ran away, but being surrounded came back. Bates told witness he was 45, but he had no birth certificate, and in witness's opinion he was not 40 years of age. He said he had not enrolled, and gave no reasonable explanation for not having reported under the Military Service Act. but he was wounded in the South African War. He had no registration card. One of the Smiths said he was 28 and married. He had not enrolled or registered himself for service. The other Smith who was arrested later, said he was 34 and had been rejected under the Derby scheme at Gloucester. He had had a card, but it was worn away. He had not presented himself for examination. He had a registration card, on which his age was given as 39, but he said that was wrong. He stated he was subject to fits. The Smiths are cousins Each of the prisoners was fined £2 and handed over to an escort.


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« Reply #337 on: Tuesday 19 July 16 20:50 BST (UK) »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi80azXo4DOAhVIahoKHQC8CkoQFggjMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftravellerstimes.org.uk%2FNews%2FElic-Kennedy.aspx&usg=AFQjCNEKjRSevjvpESSnpu4TKiuvwqaHPw

 you may think who his he talking about when I talk about Elik, well this is Elik, read about his life and see him on video,
I never new Elik but we would sometimes write to each other, I will write more of Your words another time,
He was very kind
sleep well Elik, Lee would call You Uncle when He wrote those letters on the computer web sites, yes I think how Lee spoke of You is the best for others to learn of You.

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                                      Birmingham daily post Saturday 14 October 1916



                                            GIPSIES’ EFFORTS TO ESCAPE SERVICE


Three gipsies who were stated to have evaded Military service were charged at Sheffield, yesterday, as absentees. The military stated that they had great difficulty in tracking the men, who were van-dwellers, and on account of their peripatetic habits, but they were traced to Darnall this week.The police found them in  a public house, and as soon as the prisoners noticed the officers, they created a disturbance. In the midst , one of  them put the room in darkness, smashing all the lights. There was a scuffle, but the police guarded the exits and secured their men. One man, who said he had been rejected, was handed over to the military,     


                                            Sheffield independent 14 October 1916



                                                           GIPSIES’ OFFENCE.


                                                      MEN WANTED BY MILITARY 


Lively scenes in a Darnall hotel when the police were arresting three gipsies for not complying with the Military Service Act at the Sheffield Court yesterday. The men are van-dwellers staying on land in Darnall. Serge. Milner said that he went into the Duke of York Hotel to arrest the men, and as soon as he had announced his errand one of them. Charles lister, lifted his stick and said “Then here the ……goes.” He struck at the lighted chandelier, shattering a lamp and scattering pieces about the room The three, Charles Lister, and Harry Lister ,Henry Wiltshire (29). who said, he was crippled in one arm, and when he tried to enlist in July was told that the Army did not want cripples. they were handed over to the military authorities.


                                         February 3 1906  Nottingham Evening Post



                                                   THIS DAY'S POLICE NEWS.


GUILDHALL. NOTTINGHAM   ALLEGED FRAUD. —Henry Wiltshire, hawker, was charged with obtaining by false pretences on January 24th. the prisoner, who pleaded not guilty. Prosecutrix said prisoner came in with two other men carrying a  heavy roll linoleum. They unrolled It, showing there was more than four yards length, and they ask 17s. afterwards she found it was only a short length. Mr. Young said that undoubtedly the woman had been led to purchase something which was not worth the money she paid for it, but there was no misrepresentation on part of the prisoner He did not say it was the same piece of linoleum, and it was unreasonable for the woman to expect for 5s. that what was worth 17s. The magistrates dismissed the case.



                                Monday 17 september 1934 nottingham evening post



                                            GENTLEMAN AND HIS LADY FRIENDS.

 

                                                NOTTM. DRUNKENNESS CHARGE.

 When Henry Wiltshire, 50, hawker, of St. Ann'street, appeared before the magistrates with two women companions at the Nottingham Guildhall to-day, jointly charged with being drunk and disorderly in Milton-street on Saturday night, he declared himself to be a "gentleman," and took it upon himself the full blame for the lapse of the women. The women were Ellen Smith, 27, and Rose Ann Stranther, 40. Referring to one of them, Wiltshire declared :" My son married this woman's sister, and I had not seen this girl for a few years. They are here through me getting them drunk. "Its my fault." The Bench however, imposed fines. Wiltshire and Smith were fined the higher amounts



                                Wednesday 6 november 1907 nottingham evening post


Charge that Failed.—Henry Wiltshire, hawker, was charged with stealing a roll of linoleum, value £2, the property of Arthur Cooper, Prosecutor said he was linoleum dealer. On the 31rt prisoner, his uncle, and witness were out with an horse and cart selling the roll, and called at a public house.. When they had been there a quarter of an hour Wiltshire went out and failed to return. going out the horse and cart—which belonged to the uncle were gone. The following morning he saw him in Waterlane and called P.c. Priestley, who subsequently arrested him, Mr. R. A. Young, defending. argued that no case had been made out. His client attempted to sell the roll, and rather than take all the way bock left it with Mrs. Wragg. The charge was dismissed.   

above it says Henry was Arthur Coopers Uncle , Elik said just in a matter of fact way to me that He once went to a Wiltshire wedding to a Cooper, my Aunty was Married to a Cooper, I don't know if He was of the Gipsys , Her name was Letty, I think its short for Letticia, or Lettia ,or Names sounding like that, thoes are Women's names, old Wiltshire Woman's names, just more to ponder on for Relatives who find these words


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« Reply #339 on: Monday 01 August 16 14:31 BST (UK) »


Exeter and Plymouth Gazette Friday 14 June 1918
Devon Assize.
Trials of Prisoners.


                                                   YOUTHFUL HORSE THIEF.
 

James Dixon, soldier,  pleaded guilty to stealing an horse, the property of James Birch,  Bishopsteignton, April 11th. Mr. W. T. Lawrence, who prosecuted, said Mr. Birch, who was a farmer, he bought the horse where he was staying, and put it in a field. Prisoner took the horse, and sold it to a farmer, at Taunton, for £15. The farmer became suspicions, and informed the police. Prisoner said when charged it was not worth, £30. P.S. Partridge said prisoner, was the son of gipsies and had always led the life of a gipsy. He had never been to school. And was unable read and write. After stealing the horse he joined the Army on May 7th and deserted on May lOth. His lordship said had prisoner been younger he would have sent him to a Borstal institution. But he could not overlook such a serious offence, although he was sorry for the prisoner, who had not had the advantage that a good many young fellows had. He would be imprisoned for six months with hard labour.

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« Reply #340 on: Monday 01 August 16 14:38 BST (UK) »


Bedfordshire Times and Independent Friday 22 December 1916 extract

On Monday at Luton Divisional Petty  Sessions before Messrs. J. D. Wright (Chairman), Warren and J. W. Godfrey, Tom Loveridge was Charged that on Dec 10 at Limbury he did feloniously assault one, James Dinsey, with intent to rob him. Prisoner had been remanded in custody. Case dismissed  Tom Loveridge was  further chared with failing to produce his National Registration when requested at Limbury on 11 of December, replying  Loveridge stated he did not understand the cards and thought he did not require one, fined two pounds ten shillings.Loveridge was further charged with assaulting Ambrose Loveridge in the june of 1912. Sent to Gaol for six weeks hard labour

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Wells Journal Friday 17 August 1917

 
Absentee. —Jesse Hughes, alias John Loveridge, was charged with being an absentee under the Military Service Act. Prisoner pleaded guilty. PC. Whittier deposed arresting the prisoner near Burnham-on-Sea. He was with a gipsy named Penford. Fined and remanded in custody pending the arrival of an escort.