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« Reply #387 on: Monday 05 September 16 19:37 BST (UK) »
 Gordon Boswell,  Rest In peace,

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« Reply #388 on: Monday 10 October 16 21:38 BST (UK) »
Scotland and beyond, even Yorkshire


 I am just looking into a Family named  Nelson, they seem to be from Scotland and found  right down to Yorkshire, my story starts with the census Sue gave me, She found a massive amount but I lost the lot, it was what Richarde  wrote on this thread that got me thinking, I am still finishing my other researches and soon will carry on those, Elik  wrote of how He had respect for the Family named Wiltshire, Elik was a Kennedy and was desended from  the Yetholm Gipsies, those Farr Blyths, now I am finding People named Nelson saying they are Kennedys, or Kennedys saying they are Nelsons, the census Sue found as the Nelsons of Scotland staying with the Willshaws of Yorkshire, then the Lowthers are in there to, plus the Swales, and Wilsons, and names like Drummond and Douglas,  I remember my Mothers talking of Her GrandMother and how She would talk of Scotland as She would plait Her hair, She would  talk of the old Gipsies and how they could make things like Baskets from the wood of the the branches they would find, things like that, I don't know if there is more than one Kennedy Family or more Nelsons, which ones are Gipsys or are some locals, that goes for all names, I do know you have to have an opened mind, you can not trust census reports alone, you need to combine oral history with all the stated facts that may be found, in the future d.n.a will play a much bigger part,
so here are some of the things I have so far found

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« Reply #389 on: Monday 10 October 16 21:50 BST (UK) »
Richarde wrote this in this thread about Dan Boswell many posts back,


Sacre and Sarah  is Zachariah Boswell with his wife Sarah Boyling. Zachariah was probably the brother of Absalom and Trinity Boswell, children of Phillis Blewitt by her first partner Richard Boswell. She later had at least one child by the 'King' Daniel Boswell who lays buried in Selston. Zachariah had a tough life, lost his wife early, was jailed quite a few times and had a real sad end when he slipped and fell in the Grand Union Canal at Leicester and drowned in 1843. But there is the Blewitt connection to these Boswells anyway. The two families were close cousins, they were marrying together as early as the 1690's at least.

then Sue wrote this,

People not in houses*
1861*Pontefract, Yorkshire
William Willshaw abt 1811 Longbillington, Nottinghamshire, Head Tinner & Brazier
Lidia Willshaw abt 1812 Codbrough, Nottinghamshire, Wife
Joseph Willshaw abt 1846 Darrington, Yorkshire Son
 Lidia Willshaw abt 1848 Lincoln, Lincolnshire Daughter
//
Walter Nelson abt 1829 Scotland Son-in-Law
Lotis Nelson abt 1829 Stowe, Lincolnshire, Daughter
Henry Nelson abt 1853 Wakefield, Yorkshire, Grandson
George Nelson abt 1854 Wakefield, Yorkshire, Grandson
Harriet Nelson abt 1856 Carlton, Yorkshire, Granddaughter
Mary Nelson abt 1858 Pontefract, Yorkshire, Granddaughter
//
William Blewitt abt 1809 widow Stamford, Lincolnshire, Head tinner & Brazier
Sarah Blewitt abt 1837 widow London, Middlesex, Daughter-in-Law
Valuza Blewitt abt 1856 York, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter
Enis Blewitt abt 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England
//
John Lee abt 1797 Woodbridge, Suffolk, Head
Charlott Lee abt 1791 Woodbridge, Suffolk, Wife
Tenna Lee abt 1834 Livingston, Norfolk, Daughter
Mary Boss abt 1791 Farnham, Suffolk, Widow
John Phillips abt 1832 Thorne, Yorkshire Tinner & Brazier
 

Phyliss Blewitt wed Anselo and Daniel Bosswell its gets complicated as Swales come into and the Boylings , plus more than one partner and also used aliases ! its a minefield:)

then I found these, keep trying to follow the names, it doesn't say this Dan Boswell was a Gipsy but the Blewitts come into the story, remember what Richarde wrote


Leicester chronicle Saturday 20 march 1824

Daniel Boswell stood indicted for stealing a horse, the property of John Holmes,   the jury returned a verdict of Guilty—death

Leicester chronicle Saturday 26 July 1823

 Samuel Blewitt (a gypsey) was acquitted charge with stealing an old mare from about eight miles from Melton. The prisoner was not the person who sold the mare, but he was proved to have been in his company just before. in his defence, he stated that he was employed by a man of the name Daniel Boswell to fetch the mare and bring it to Leicester.



I just put these two records on be course I liked them, 

Morning post Saturday 19 June 1847

 
Murder of a Wife by her Husband  information was forwarded to the metropolitan police that a man, named Hawkless Lovett Blewitt, an itinerant tinker and razor grinder, at Dudley, had thrown a large quantity of boiling water over his wife, by which she was so dreadfully injured that death ensued. A Coroner's inquest was held, and the Jury returned a verdict of wilful murder against Blewitt. "Immediately after the perpetration of the atrocious deed Blewitt absconded from Dudley. He is described as between thirty-five and forty years of age, dark hair, whiskers, and complexion; has the appearance of a gipsy, stands about five feet eight inches high, and is rather stout.


Stamford Mercury Friday 3 January 1823
Inquest

before the coroner,  Margaret Blewitt, aged 78 years; who, notwithstanding her advanced age, and having led a strolling life, was a stranger to sickness, having never experienced an hour's illness in her life: a few minutes previously to her going out in the morning she was unusually cheerful, and sung a song in such compass of voice as surprised her hearers; soon after, she was found laid upon the turnpike-road in a dying state, and very soon expired.

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« Reply #390 on: Monday 10 October 16 22:21 BST (UK) »
 Carlisle journal Saturday 11 march 1843

Deaths

John Nelson hawker 43 died



Hamilton advertiser Saturday 6 January 1866

PEEBLES 

 On Friday afternoon. Sergeant Cunningham succeeded in discovering that the foul fish this season are being disposed of in a wholesale, Having reason that a cart  was being employed in the transit of fish. Sergeant Cunningham. on Friday, came upon a suspicions cart at Leadburolon, which with examination, was found to contain seven good-sized fish The sergeant took possession of the cart and  had them conveyed to the prison at Peebles, when the woman who had charge of the cart, gave her name as Janet Kennedy, or Nelson, wife of Thomas Nelson, a Yetholm hawker, at present residing in Peebles.



Southern reporter Thursday 31 may 1877


Assault at Newstead. —At Jedburgh, on Wednesday, Rachel Douglas or Nelson, hawker, residing at Melrose, was charged with the crime of assault, in so far as, upon the 5th of May, she did wickedly and feloniously attack Janet. Campbell Douglas, wife of David Douglas, mugger, Newstead, by thrusting her with a knife, whereby she was cut and wounded to the effusion of her blood and injury of her person. The accused pleaded not guilty, but proof being led, the charge was found proven and the panel sentenced her to ten days imprisonment.


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« Reply #391 on: Monday 10 October 16 22:27 BST (UK) »
Hartlepool Northern News Friday 22 July 1883

A NOTORIOUS HORSE STEALER.

On Thursday, at Stockton, a man named Shadrach Nelson was charged with stealing a horse  Since the theft was committed the prisoner had been in gaol ; and it was now stated he was received into custody by the Stockton- police from the Barnard Castle police.—The magistrate (Mr Joseph Richardson) committed him for trial at the next Sessions. He also stands committed on a charge of stealing an horse in the Gateshead division, and also for a precisely similar offence committed in the Barnard Castle division. Besides this, the prisoner has been in gaol for horse stealing both in
Northumberland and Cumberland.



I found this record below as I was researching, i thought it could be of help to others

Dundee Evening Telegraph Saturday 18 February 1888

                                        The Domestic Life of Hawkers

This story says that Lilia Smith or Boswell had travelled with Lewis Boswell for a number of years, then he left to live with a younger Woman, she said she was the third Woman to cohabit with him, and he was the father of six children with her, she now lived with Nelson Boswell, he bore the same name she said he was no relation of the accused,   she saw Eli Boswell strike Nelson, when they all met up again, this was at the Old Cattle Market, Lochee Road





York Herald Thursday 25 October 1888

Northumberland Police Court

                                             A Disgraceful Family Row


James Cole pot merchant, Harry Nelson scissor grinder, William Swales hawker, James Halford Hawker, Annie Nelson and Margaret Swales were charged.This was a massive big fight in reply to the bench they said they were not drunk just very much existed, the Bench dismissed the hole of the case

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« Reply #392 on: Monday 10 October 16 22:35 BST (UK) »
 
Aberdeen evening express Saturday 28 October 1888

                                GETTING DRUNK AND FALLING OUT.

Before Sheriff Brown at Aberdeen to-day two men named Thomas Small Nelson, and Benjamin Wilson, hawkers, of no fixed place of residence, were charged with having committed a breach of the peace at Inverythan, Eyrie they were  quarrelling and fighting with each other. They pleaded guilty. Both men presented an appearance which indicated that the battle must have been a fiercely-con tested one, their faces and hands bruised and in a painful manner. Wilson, addressing the Sheriff, said he and Nelson were old companions, and had enjoyed together the most favourable and pleasant relations during the past twelve months. On the day libelled they were both stupidly drunk and did not know what they were doing, and if the Sheriff allowed them to go he promised they would never offend in the  manner again. Sheriff Brown said the personal appearance of the accused testified to their having already been punished pretty severely, and would not therefore not indict any further penalty. They would be admonished and dismissed.


                            Alloa Advertiser Saturday 14 September 1889


ALLOA SHERIFF COURT.   John Nelson, hawker. Matthew Nelson, hawker, Janet Kennedy Nelson, wife of Thos. Nelson, hawker, and Mary Nelson, hawker, with no fixed residence, were charged with having, on the 9tb September, on a vacant piece of ground in Sauchie Village, (I) assaulted Benjamin Wilson, hawker, Easter Townley or Wilson, hawker, wife of Ben. Wilson, and rossina Grannachan or Wilson, widow, all hawkers, with no fixed residence, by beating them with their fists, and knocking them to the ground, kicking them and throwing bricks and stones at them, whereby they were injured; and (2) with having conducted themselves in a riotous and disorderly manner, whereby a breach of the peace was committed. All pleaded guilty. It seems that all the accused parties had a grudge against another family of hawkers named Jamieson, and thinking that the Wilsons were in some way connected with the Jamieson’s, they resolved to vent their spite upon them, and hence the attack. The Sheriff sentenced each of the accused to undergo seven days’ imprisonment.



Morpeth Herald Saturday 9 November  1889
 

 Robert Young, hawker, Longhorsley, was charged with allowing a mare to stray, on the highway, Longhorsley, on the 26th October.—P.C. Elliott proved the case, and a fine of including costs was imposed. Shadrack Nelson, hawker, Longhorsley, was also charged with allowing his white mare to stray, on the highway near View Law, on the 26th of October. P.C. Elliott proved this case also, and a fine of 5s including costs was inflicted. Septimus Cooper, hawker, Fleece Court, Newcastle, was charged with allowing his horse to stray, on the highway, at Whalton,  .— P.C. Anderson proved the case, and a fine of 2s 6d and costs was made. A CART WITHOUT A NAME. Septimus Cooper, hawker, Newcastle, was also charged that being the owner of a cart he did use on the same day  on the highway without having his name painted thereon, at Morpeth, on the 26th October. —P.C. Hettle gave evidence as to finding the cart in defendant's possession with only the name written in chalk.—The Bench merely charged the costs in this case.


Barnsley chronicle etc Saturday December 1892
Marriage
Thomas Nelson, hawker, to Diana Boswell, both of Barnsley.



i wander is this Walter Nelson below the one from the census above

Sheffield independent Monday 15 June 1896
 

MEXBRO - HAWKERS IN TROUBLE On Saturday, at Doncaster, Alexander Nelson, hawker, Mexbro', was fined 10s.  including costs for  having a dog without a  licence, and 2s. 6d. and costs for allowing his horse to stray at Bolton-on-Dearne.  William Nelson, hawker, had to pay 10s. Including costs for having no license for his dog; and Walter Nelson, hawker, was charged 5s. and costs for encamping on the highway    and 2s. 6d. and costs tor allowing horses to _stray at Bolton-on-Dearne. The parties pleaded guilty, and evidence was formally given by Police-constable Blow.



Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 5 August 1904


HORSE STOLEN FROM A FIELD AT BARNSLEY. Borough Police Court yesterday was charged with stealing bay horse,   a man named Alexander Nelson, hawker, who now resides at Gainsbro'  P.C. Evans said he received the prisoner into his custody from the Scarboro' police. On reading the warrant over him prisoner said, "Yes, I pinched the horse. Prisoner was committed for trial to the ensuing Wakefield Sessions.



Dumfries and Gallaway Standard Wednesday 12 July 1916


Dumfries Thursday-before Sheriff Campion Sherlock Nelson, hawker; Margaret Nelson or Lowther his daughter; Charlotte Mana Drummond or Nelson his wife; Sarah Anderson Nelson, his daughter-in-law: and Mary Robinson or Anderson widow mother of his Daughter-in- Law ,   pleaded guilty to committed breach of the peace , on Wednesday they had recently been camping, but have now, it was stated, lived in houses. The disturbance was of a family nature, they were dismissed with an admonition

that's it, I hope you can follow my writing, if you want to help that will be fine, don't worry if you think i may be thinking wrong, i,m not really thinking i,m just looking, now i,v to get back to my other writings, i,v pieces of paper all over the place, it will take years at this rate, herrm,


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« Reply #393 on: Saturday 24 December 16 12:36 GMT (UK) »
 I was just thinking,

well I thought its that time again, so first I would like you all to have a good merry Christmas and the new year to be a safe and good year to you all, Iv lots of plans myself but first must thank Roots chat for being such a fine web site, I have read many posts over your entire site over several subjects and must say what a fine lot of people you all are, long may Roots chat continue and may thousands of people join your great site that helps People in everyway you may think of,
I have to finish in the new year my writings of the war years, I,v lots more to write about and many questions about the roots of my Mothers Family, I am learning so much through my research, I also have to go back in my writing to of Brampton where lots of them stayed over the years ,I have found a great part of their travel patterns, I have found the stopping yards that they pulled into down through the years, I to have some great ideas for my research after I have finished the war years and the history of Brampton plus other places and People that join the stories of my research, I have more to say and look for about Scotland then I will move on to my new search , I will tell you about that when the time comes to look, I,v devised a way of tracing the Gipsies through the records, I,ll talk about that another time, well I know I just want to say that you as researchers should broaden your mind, I know you are clever and have done this or that, but you must keep evolving, forget about who said this, or that's the way this as been done , forget about all that and start afresh, you can do it,

this is now the greatest time in the history of the Great Gipsies for true and honest research, never before has so much information been readily available and the ability to access and share this information is now upon us in the great time that we live in, so having said this I would like to put on a few of the things that People look for, what is that I hear you ask, well through the thousands of posts that I have read of you all researching and looking for answers of your People, or evan those who are the scholar ones, well you all like to see photos to put a human touch to words that may appear cold and far away, to see a face is such a good feeling through out the history of us all

so through my research I keep coming across what must be dusty unseen photos of and about Gipsies, well I look at the photos I come across and then just move on looking for the things I research, but the photos keep coming back, so I thought if I put how you can access them with the name of the Gipsy, you may if you wish see once again your great People, very sadly lots of the writers could not be bothered to give the Gipsies a name, but they have no reason  to worry they found me and I will ask all of you to help, if you notice a name or a place where they lived ask someone to access the image , you can go down to your local library and they have a computer and they will help you, but if I was you I would join up to the web site that tells you the history of the newspapers, you have to pay , its not much and I think to you can just pay as you go, but it would be a very kind deed if I find a Gipsy or Gipsy Family that as been photographed then I put how you can see it as in the information of its location, then you may look or tell someone who is in a society or as a web site to let these Gipsies join you all, I have found lots of photos that I have never seen before, some of these photos may not have been seen for a few generations and lost to the now living, but me and you will reunite them, some are very clear others not, but if you email, write or phone or maybe visit the sores that I give they will no doubt be able to give you at a small cost a very fine image, I want to help everyone with their research, its a bad thing to horde and just think in life this is mine , its a bad way of going on, I will put several links to some of the photos I find, there will be more for others to find, you must all help each other in your research, I will keep researching and looking for the answers I seek, I am not disappointed with what I have so far found, in fact it was just the way it was always told,

so Merry Christmas to you all , all the fine People at Roots Chat, the Moderators and the many thousands who like me search for the questions that we find we feel a answer is needed,

Good Luck to the New Year

Leahcim

ps remember to never forget the long gone Gipsies, if they try to find you never be afraid, lots of false things have been wrote about Gipsies , Gipsies were never afraid of the Dead, it was the Power they held that feared them, but we all will find this truth later as my research continues

 

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« Reply #394 on: Saturday 24 December 16 13:27 GMT (UK) »
 These photos I came across are in the
Birmingham Daily Gazette Monday 26 June 1939 Page 7




Midland Gipsy's Death: Two Men In Court To-day two men will appear at Stourport Police Court to-day on charges arising out of the death of John Loveridge, aged 43, a gipsy, who lived in a wooden bungalow near a gipsy encampment on Hartlebury Common, Worcestershire, with his wife and four children. Loveridge was found near a cart track by his brother, and died in his arms. I was cycling across the common to work when I saw a man lying in a sort of dip,” the brother, William Loveridge, told the Birmingham Gazette last night I got off my bicycle and saw it was my brother .I lifted him up and he died in my arms. ” His head and face were battered and cut about.” Police questioned a large number of gipsies and associates of the dead man, both at  the police station and in the camp and later arrested two men. Dr. J. M. Webster, of the West Midland forensic science laboratory, he was called to help the police. Inquiries were directed by the Chief Constable of Worcestershire, Captain J. E. Lloyd Williams, Superintendent Gregory, of Stourport police, and Detective- Inspector Knight, of Worcester.   Wm  Loveridge's widow and three of their four children photographed outside the wooden bungalow where they lived with the dead man.


 these are very fine photos of John Loveridge and His Wife and three of His Children
if any one needs help in how to access the photos,   just say and I will go over the prosess, don't forget to tell others of the photos  evan if you yourself have seen them, remember there may be Gipsy Relatives who may also wish to see

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« Reply #395 on: Saturday 24 December 16 14:28 GMT (UK) »
These very clear three photos are in a magazine called
Britannia and Eve Wednesday 1 November 1950 page 16 and 85
 
Epsom Downs have been a legendary Derby-week Romany resort as long as the oldest race goers can remember. Now their encampments have been warned off During the winter they make baskets, strip wood from trees and make clothes pegs Gipsy Lee, scion and fortune teller of the Fletcher tribe. Had seventeen children all born in a caravan. This portrait was taken when she was seventy-seven years old

Has The Gipsy Run His Course? By Martin Thornhill  where are the gipsies? A farmer or an administrator would reply that he knows only too well. Others have noted fewer and fewer Romanies as the years pass. The overall answer is that there are fewer, and that the fact presents mystifying elements which are only partially explained by the unsettling effects of two world wars. The last war was as hard on gipsies as on Jews; but peace, which brought relief to Jews, made life little easier for gipsies. Nomads of Europe for five centuries, these hardened rovers seem to have spread originally from India, driven out by Genghis Khan and the Moguls. Their language, long since a bastard tongue because of the need to learn the speech of the countries they lived on, still retains Hindustani vocables. Up to the fifteenth century gipsies were producing safe conducts signed by ruling princes, who must therefore have been reasonably well disposed towards them. But by 1500 the roguery they practised, out of their necessity as habitual wanderers, had brought its own reward and a general persecution began to scatter the tribes over Europe. Still clinging as obstinately to their bad manners and customs as to their few good points, the clans gathered uncomplimentary labels from the countries they traversed heathens, scoundrels, robbers. It was Britain that called them simply gipsies, from the mistaken notion that they hailed from Egypt. Some territories banned them with unwritten laws permitting pursuit beyond the borders, and the shooting of any who dallied. Two adjacent countries threatened ear-lopping to all displaced persons who put foot over the boundaries. As one country prescribed the right ear, the other the left, it went ill with a gipsy who arranged his travels badly. In Spain and Hungary attempts were made to treat the wanderers kindly. But neither Continued on page 85)