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« Reply #351 on: Monday 01 August 16 16:42 BST (UK) »
                                   Taunton courier and western advertiser 28 June 1916


Friday.—Before the ex-Mayor G. Hinton,
Mr. F. W. Penny, and Mr. J. P. Sibley.


                                                           ASSAULT ON A GIPSY.


Thomas Roberts, a gipsy, of no fixed abode, was charged with having, on the 19th inst, assaulted and beaten Wm. Loveridge, also a travelling gipsy. Mr. C. P. Clarke was for the complainant, and Mr. McGahey, of Exeter, represented the defendant. who pleaded not guilty, Mr. Clarke stated that the charge was a serious one. The men were engaged on business at the Taunton Fair, and happened to meet at the Saracen's Head Inn. Previously Loveridge had met his brother Edward, and they were having a horse deal in the ordinary way, perfectly quiet and well-behaved. Suddenly Loveridge, the complainant, said Roberts, who happened to be standing near, "Roberts, didn't I pay you for that mare" That seemed to enrage Roberts, who at once jumped up, struck at  Loveridge, caught him by the throat, and pushed him backwards through the window of the Saracen's Head Inn, seriously injuring him ;  he was taken to the hospital, and had to remain until Wednesday. Evidence bearing out this statement was given, complainant who stated that defendant said he would " Do for him”. Dan Loveridge, licensed hawker, stated that he was at the Saracen's Head the evening of the 19th, and saw what took place. The assault was entirely unprovoked. Witness endeavoured to part the men. The only remark made before the assault was about the mare.  Complainant was his brother. They were all Romaneys. James Holland, another gipsy, who was also present, stated that he did not see the blows struck. He saw the men struggling, and the complainant's head struck the window as he fell backwards. Mr. McGahey, addressing the Bench. Suggested that both men might be bound over to keep the peace towards one another. The men were members of the Romany class, and up to last Saturdav they had been pretty good friends. On Saturday defendant came to Taunton, and there was a disturbance. On Monday Roberts had with him a nephew who was leaving that day for the Front. He was followed about the town. Defendant  wanted to have a disturbance, and, after he had seen his nephew off by train, he returned to the Saracen's Head Inn, and was sitting down quietly in his chair, when complainant caught him by the throat. He grappled with the man in self-defence, and in the struggle complainant's head came in contact with the glass panel. Evidence having been given.  By deputy Chief Constable Brown, he said there was long list of previous convictions for assault, cruelty. Disorderly conduct and assaulting the police. The number totalled 29,' from 1887 to February last, but there was nothing of a serious nature for twenty years. The Bench imposed a fine of £5, and allowed one guinea advocate s fee.


PS. as you will see through reading of the Gipsys, you will come to know they are nothing like what some of those "so called scholars" have wrote about, and worse to, people in this time who think they know things, believe the scholars, just work it out for yourself, the fabricators know who they are and hate the fact they have no real love for the Gipsys, its them who are pagodo, but I say they are all forgiven, we are taught to forgive, its not my fault the Great Gipsy Dead would have nothing to do with such people, its not my fault I was born darker than them, but still I say we should forgive them, I hope I have helped many good people to find the truth about what happened to their Relatives, a very shameful time, the Gipsys  were hounded over this Country like some great serfari in Africa, we all must tell the true story of their plight, we must honor their names now and forever, then they will rest, when George hall wrote about the Gipsys, you know the real ones, har that was it, the real ones just stole a few turnips, you may think he was right, that's fine fair enough, but I say Gipsys have always been on the run, while on the run some were more rip roaring than others, these Gipsys had the run of the towns, city's, and villagers, roads, lanes, highways and byways, the more rip roaring you were the more miles you could travel and make money, it was not that some were less than others for they moved from city to the country side, big names moved through citys and the back lanes, the reason some could not travel all the routes was be course they never had the back up of rough and tough rip roaring Gipsys, that's the truth of it, the Wiltshires and all their Names were triple D dangerous, they had a massive area to rome over several countys and the back up of the most rip roaring Gipsys of their day I have found lots of great Names while I have researched thousands of records, names like Booth and Elliott, Sheriff and Boswell, Loveridge and Locke, Smith and Winter, boy ho boy they sure are all rip roaring, there are many names to, if you took away there names and just read the records, you wouldn't know who was who, but I do , there Gipsys, Rip Roaring Gipsys, theres lots of names not just the chosen few, Lee once said his Father told Him that all Gipsys are related, Lee went on to expand this by saying Gipsys live in Family tribes, several names make one Family, yes all Gipsys are related, them old scholors should of talked to Gipsys like Lees Dad, now there's the truth of it

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Re: Gipsy Dan Boswell
« Reply #352 on: Saturday 13 August 16 20:41 BST (UK) »
i am still writing of the times of the Great War, and will soon put more on before i ask questions of you good people, but like i have said there are many names connected to the Gipsys, another great Name i have found is the name of Lowther, again truthfully i do not know of them only they seem to be close Pals of the Wiltshires around the times i speak of and i would not be surprised if they were related in some way, they to seem to be connected to the Smiths, i just wanted to mention their name for the Relatives of the People i write about, plus to i write for everyone who as a true interest of the true life of all the Great Gipsys, this is below just a few little stories of the Lowthers, i will write more about them and the Wiltshire's in the war years and lingering times, so yes respect for the Lowthers, a Great Name indeed, a Name that should be mentioned and remembered, i have already wrote one record of them in the war years some posts back but soon several more, 


Yorkshire Gazette
Saturday25  November 1893


                                    Interesting Story about Gipsies.—Before Messrs Strangwayes
                                                         and J. H. Love, on Wednesday,
                                                the office of the Clerk to the Justices at Easingwold,


 Dinah Lowther, a gipsy hawker, was charged by Inspector Harnby with camping out on the highway, and making a fire thereon, in the parish of Farlington. The Inspector having received complaints about this woman and her sons and a man named Smith breaking down hedges, he went to Farlington on the 20th inst., and found the parties in the bridle road leading to Marton. They had a covered waggon, a horse, and three dogs, and there was a large fire on the road made of wood taken from hedges. Smith ran away, and the eldest son made off with the horse and waggon. The woman was arrested. James Welburn, farmer, of Marton, said the party had done a good deal of damage on his farm by injuring fences and turning their horse into his fields. Christopher Savage, jun., a farmer, of Farlington, gave similar evidence, and said that the man Smith on being caught with his horse in a field on his (witness's) father's farm became very abusive, and threatened to

 " take his skin off as clean as a duck stripped of its feathers."

The prisoner begged to be let off this time, but the Bench fined her £2 ls. 6d. including the costs, and default of payment she was committed to prison for one month.


Carlisle Patriot
Friday 14 October 1887

                                                            THE CALENDARS

                                                          The County Sessions

James Lowther, alias James Miller, 30 Hawker, charged with stealing a quantity of lead the value of 14s, the property of James graham Hewitt, at Penrith on September 10.



Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
Tuesday 29 December 1874

Stabbing by a Gipsy—Yesterday,
at the Bury petty sessions,


Thomas Lowther a gipsy, residing at Wrigley Brook, Heywood, was charged with having stabbed John Gaskell with intent to do him grievous bodily harm. According to the information given to the police, it seems that on Saturday the prisoner and another gipsy, William Wilson, commenced a disturbance with a hawker of fruit, named James Ackerley,  The man John Gaskell, who lives at Bagslete, was over at Birtle on a visit to his father in-law. Mr. Chadwick,  he saw the disturbance, and he kept an eye on the gipsies while Ackerley went for a policeman. Before the constable arrived, Lowther turned back on Gaskell and stabbed him in the side with a dagger pointed knife. — The prisoner was remanded till Thursday.


Carlisle Journal
Tuesday 15 October 1861

                                                              The Sessions

John Winter and Henry Lowther charged with stealing a fiddle the property of Martin Shank, at Wigston on the 20th of August 1861

Whitehaven News
Thursday 18 July 1861

 
BOOTLE SESSIONS.
   
John Wilson Lowther, hawker, was charged with stealing from the person Charles Lowther Boyd, hawker, the sum of 10s., on the evening of the 8th instant, while he was drunk at Ulpha Kircus ; he was also charged with having, the following day, Duddon Bridge, stolen a horse and cart, the property of the said Charles Lowther Boyd, value 10s. Prosecutor stated that he and the prisoner started from Bootle the morning of the 3rd instant  for Whitehaven, where he sold some rags. afterwards they 'purchased some herrings, which he put in prisoner’s cart. They both then went to Collision, and sold the herrings, and on their return to Duddon Bridge, Monday, they went over the fell, and sent their wives to Duddon Bridge, in charge of the carts. Prisoner and he went to a public house at Kircus. and were drinking there for some time, till they got drunk and were put out by the landlord. Prosecutor then went into an outhouse and laid down, then the prisoner came and took the purse and money out of his pocket,   The bench dismissed the case.

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Re: Gipsy Dan Boswell
« Reply #353 on: Sunday 14 August 16 18:12 BST (UK) »
I know I'm still writing about the Gipsys of the Great War, but like I have just wrote I have found a Gipsy Family named Lowther going round with the Wiltshires round the War years, and they sure sound like Gipsys to me, I make no distinction from the very old original Familys and the Familys that came out of them, how would I know such things anyhow, well I have been putting on records above about the Lowthers to hopfully help with the research of people who look for them, plus I would say somwere the Wiltshires could be Related to the Lowthers, you will see when I put the storys on about them round the times of the early 1900s, boy ho boy they sure are Rip Roaring, any way look at this record story I just this minute found, I don't know what to think of it, do you think the Boswell Man is a Gipsy, I thought the name sounded right, then Lowther had the first name of Moses, Sue once wrote the Boswells love that name, could the Lowthers have come out of the Boswells, its just a very old record, believe me I have looked at thousands of records, when you start getting back to the early 1800s, you are mostley left with the original Great Names, there must be an answer there, if anyone can answer it would I say be a good thing to help others, and a hawker of spectacle's, that's a new one for me, but a few yeares later I found another Lowther doing the same thing I will put that on to later, if any one can help please write and say how you think the truth is, it would be a good thing to do



Yorkshire Gazette
Saturday 9 March 1833


Yorkshire Spring Assizes 1833
Crown Court Tuesday March 5


MOSES LOWTHER (35), hawker of spectacle’s, was charged with having, on the 6th day of February last, at Stanley, violently assaulted William Gosnay, and stolon one red leather pocket-book, three five pound notes, 12 sovereigns, and other monies, from his person. After the Jury were sworn, the prisoner applied to have his trial put off, saying, that he had several witnesses coming on his behalf_ The Judge told him, that he had made his application too late; and that the trial must go on. Mr Dundass Appeared for the prosecution. The prisoner had no counsel. The prosecutor, a blacksmith, residing at Newton Kyme, was  going to Wakefield, on the evening of the 6th of February. As he was walking along, a man, who was standing on a dunghill, rushed on him, and threw him to the ground; and another man came up and rifled his pockets. They took his waistcoat, containing his pocket-book and money, and then decamped; leaving the flap of one of their coats in the prosecutor's possession, he having torn it off in the scuffle. The same evening, Lowther and a man named Boswell were found at a public house, kept by a man named Clegg, playing at cards with the landlord. They were searched but none of the stolen property was found upon them.  Lowthers coat had however lost the flap, and the piece which Gosnay had, exactly fitted it, Lowther persisted in his innocence ; and said, witnesses would be here tomorrow, and who would prove it. He was found Guilty_ Judgment of death recorded_ Phoenix Boswell was indicted with him, but the Grand Jury ignored the bill.

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« Reply #354 on: Monday 15 August 16 19:49 BST (UK) »
 



Yorkshire Gazette Saturday 16 February 1833


Moses Lowther, hawker, and Phoenix Boswell, tinker, of Stanley-cum- Wrenthorpe, charged with assaulting Wm. Gosnay, and robbing him the sum of £28.


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« Reply #355 on: Friday 19 August 16 22:08 BST (UK) »
 just a few observations from extracts that may be of help for others

Yorkshire gazette Saturday 2 march 1833


MOSES LOWTHER (35), hawker of spectacles, and PHOENIX BOSWELL (26), tinker and razor-grinder, both late of Stanley-cum-Wrenthorpe, charged upon the oath of  Gosnay, of Stanley aforesaid, blacksmith


Yorkshire Gazette  Saturday 25 May 1833

Convicts, The following convicts were removed from York castle, last week, to undergo their sentences of transportation_ for life .Moses Lowther. To be delivered on boared the Cumberland and York.



York Herald Saturday 14 November 1835


Unfounded Charge of Rape. John Lowther Hawker of spectacles was charged before the Magistrates at the Guild Hall. The case at first sight assumed a very serious appearance, the accused is a married man, having a wife and nine children, the complainant is the daughter of a traveller, the parties met on the road, Lowther engaged the girl for three years, they have been in the habit of traveling about the country. Lowther also seems to have had other girls with him in his service. After the case had been very minutely investigated for nearly four hours, the bench obserbed that it was not of that discretion which they first considered it. And ordered Lowther to enter into recognizance in the sum of forty pound, he was discharged.


I have also noticed through records that the Lowthers used as an alias, the name of Miller, Miller seems to be another fine Gipsy name, they also go back a good way, the Wiltshire's are also connected through story's with a Family named Burnside, the Burnsides connect to the Cunningham's, in fact everyone seems to be connected to each other once you start looking, there are many names that evolved out of the well known names that are spoken of today, some of these names in time will be proved to contain direct links to the Gipsys that are well known, other names will be shown to contain links through Cousins or many other ways, none of this meens you are better than that person, or your Family is greater than their Family, of course their were Family's with old Romany ways, if they looked down their noses, well who am i to argue, yet when you get past certain times scales that bypass the writings of certain so called scholars, you will find that the old Gipsys are just the same as Gipsys a hundred years later no matter their Name, they were always on the run and the greatest of minds, plus an unrivalled humour in their journey fighting against the odds again again and again, much of this Romany talk was a myth created to change the very fabric that is the tapestry the mosaic the truth, why because so called scholars wanted their writings to fit in with how they saw life, its was their ideal of history, writers  over the years when finding so called truths say things like John so and so of 18 hundred and twenty two was a farm hand and married a third Cousin of Francis so and so, der der derrrr, the music roles, I can feel it through many of their words how they down play the life's of Gipsys, all the Family's that come from the Gipsys are Gipsys, now and forever, there will be many names that joined the Gipsys in many country's over hundreds of years, again and again the Gipsy language changed adding words from the many country's they travelled through, this is the Gipsy, a Great People formed on the run, there is never just one founding person, everyone should be Proud who in any way is here today becourse you feel that link back to the Great People, never worry about those who sever their links, don't worry about the lies, the put downs, putdowns evan from those who should know better, I see how they wait, wait for the opening, yes I see them, it is them who shoulder the shame,     

Respect to all Gipsys of the Long Years, Rest in Peace.



Newcastle courant

Friday 19 may 1843
The Worship the Mayor of Durham

At the petty sessions, held at the court house Morpeth, William Miller, of Rothburry hawker of earthenware fined for encamping and lighting fires on the highway called silver lane.


Sheffield town hall 1874
 
A Discriminating Thief.— Joseph Wilsher, pot hawker, was sent to gaol for a month for stealing glasses from a cart at the fair on the previous evening.—Prisoner asked to be dealt leniently with, he said "he did not steal' wishfully,' or anything of that sort, but only to get a glass of beer when he was going home." (Laughter.)


Nottingham review and general advertiser for the midland counties
Friday 22 July 1842

Town Hall, Mansfield. — On the 5th instant, before Captain Salmond    On the 6th. Before the magistrate,
William Wiltshire, pot-hawker, was convicted for furiously driving his horse and cart.

 

The Newcastle Chronicle

Northumberland 13 December 1766

Now in custody in the house of correction in Morpeth, the following persons found strolling and begging in this county, were apprehended, and committed, as vagrants and vagabonds,

Robert Heron, Edward Boswell, and Moses Boswell,

Robert Heron is about 63 years of age, and of a swarthy complexion, says he is a Tin Man by trade.
Edward Boswell is about 26 years of age, and of a very dark complexion, says he is by trade a Brazier or Tinker.
Moses Boswell says he is the Brother of Edward and is about 23 years of age, and of a swarthy complexion, says he deals in selling mugs about the country.

 


 

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« Reply #356 on: Saturday 20 August 16 21:01 BST (UK) »
some Gipsys took names, well every Gipsy took names, what I mean is a Gipsy Family or a single person weather Male or Female could of just took the name of Lowther, or a indigenous British Lowther could of married or joined with the Gipsys, intern the name of Lowther entered into the many names of the Gipsys, there was a great British Family that seemed to come from a lower rank at one time yet they went on to dominate in so many ways that I have read about, what I now put on is only a few extracts from much larger fuller writings, very very interesting is the story of the Lowthers of the north, one which deserves a much more in-depth  educated analysis that which I give, you must remember I am far from an educated man and just go with the breeze, I do hope  that all the things I write about will someday be expanded on, good luck, if it was an indigenous Lowther that joined with the Gipsy I think also that many British people took the name of the local Lords of the Manor, there could be so many answers to the storys I have put on, fair play to the Lowthers, I would call them Gipsys.




Kendal mercury
Saturday 15 August 1863


THE HISTORY OF THE LOWTHERS. (From the Spectator.) The history of the Lowthers is that of immense and almost unbroken civil success. Though they date from the earlier feudal period, and possess to this day a power more nearly feudal than that of any family in England except the Percies and the Wimns, they would be defined on the Continent belonging rather to the peerage "of the robe" than the nobility of the sword. A race of proud, sensitive, and singularly efficient men, they have filled high office as lawyers, battled bravely as politicians, and performed once or twice great service as Ministers of the State, but they have not contributed generals, or reared up great admirals, or flung back invasion at their own cost and charge. They have been great servants of the State, not great members of it. Their original ancestry is hard to trace, but it cannot have been a high one, for the family takes its name from the little Westmorland River. The name of William de Lowther appears at the head of the gentry of Westmoreland as witness to a deed in the reign of Henry 11,  and Sir Thomas and Sir Gervase de Lowther occur in the register of Wetherill Priory, under   The great-grandson of Sir Gervase, Sir Hugh de Lowther, performed the functions of Attorney General in the twentieth year of Edward 1. And may be accepted as the founder of the great fortunes of the" house”. This Sir Hugh possessed lands in the hamlet of Whale and in Thurmby, as well as the manor of Lowther, and was also seized of the manor and town of Widchope in Cumberland. Sir Hugh represented the shire of Westmorland in Parliament in 1300 and 1305, was " a justice” itinerant and escheated on the north side of the “Trent," and for five hundred years there never again sat a Parliament which was not attended by a Lowther or a Lowther's direct nominee. His eldest son, also Sir Hugh, sided with the Earl of Lancaster in the struggle of Galveston, but subsequently made his peace with the King; and a brother, Thomas de Lowther, became in 1330 a justice, and in the following year Chief Justice of the King's Bench in Ireland. It was a habit of this house, as we shall see, to export its cadets to Ireland. The second Sir Hugh married the daughter and heiress of Lucia Lord Edgemont, Baron of Cockermouth, and obtained licence to make a park in his manor of Lowther. This feudal privilege obtained, the family rested for years, though Sir Hugh's great grandson was at Agincourt; but the grandson of the Agincourt hero married the daughter of Sir Lancelot Threlheld, a half-sister of Henry Lord Clifford —the "Shepherd Lord" of ballad and romance, and his grandson again intermarrying with his cousin, the daughter of the " Shepherd Lord”       



 

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York herald
Saturday 1 July 1893
 



NORTHERN ANSWERS. (  The Lowthers. — The family of Lowther is of great antiquity in the county of Westmoreland. The name is local, and has been written Loder, Louder, Loader, Louthrey. and Lowther, from the town and manor of Lowther. Many members of this ancient family have held eminent state appointments. Lowther of Whitehaven. — Sir Hugh deLouther, Knt., was Attorney -general in Edward I. reign, and in the lists of Sheriffs for the counties of Cumberland and Yorkshire, the name of Lowther appears many times

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Sunderland daily echo and shipping gazette
 Friday 6 October 1899
 



 LORD ENTERTAINS GIPSIES.

The Central News correspondent at Kirkby Stephen telegraphs :—Lord Lonsdale last Tuesday entertained at Lowther Castle a number of gipsies who had been attending the neighbouring Brough Hill fair races. Sports were held, and the Earl's unusual guests were entertained to the best of everything

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Sunderland Daily Echo
Tuesday 3 June 1913


” Peeress and a Gypsy”.

 Lady Arthur Grosvenor, aunt of the Duke of Westminster, is touring in a caravan in Surrey and is spending this week at Epsom. Her ladyship started her caravan tour at Reading on Wednesday, the vehicle bearing a shining brass plate, inscribed, “Syrena Lee. licensed hawker.” She is accompanied by John Lowther, a gypsy, who drives another caravan.