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« Reply #180 on: Friday 01 January 16 19:28 GMT (UK) »
I will talk another time about these things,    these are the things that interchange, these are the things that are and  were used by  people to justify their actions ,  their ways,

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« Reply #181 on: Friday 01 January 16 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England

16 Aug 1889


A GIPSY WEDDING

and inquired of the host whether a gipsy wedding could take place there, adding that they would pay well. At the  same time he exhibited a paper establishing his identity Butura Simi. captain of a gipsy tribe, mustering forty souls

do you see this now in 88, captain they call him,

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« Reply #182 on: Friday 01 January 16 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Derby Mercury Derbyshire, England

4 Aug 1830


TRIAL AND CONVICTION OF CAPTAIN   FOR MURDER

aged 105 years, well known by his perodical visits to different  parts 'of the country, under the denomination of King of the Gipsies.  all of our readers will, doubtless, remember seeing his Majesty during the hop season, riding on a donkey,

  then you have Gipsys going round in later yeares saying  thier kings , 

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« Reply #183 on: Friday 01 January 16 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties Nottinghamshire, England

30 Jan 1835


 
  A King of the Gipsies  Died, after an illness of fourteen weeks, near the Tinker house, in a lane leading from Basford to Arnold, in the parish Lenton, on Friday, Lewis Boswell, aged 42 years. He was the leader or king of a tribe of gipsies,  who have encamped in the lane for the last fourteen weeks

see there they say, Leader or king,   
how many people only see the word king,  and the year was 1835, how many times as king been transcribed down through the years, yet Leader lost to the ages


Stamford Mercury Lincolnshire, England

15 Oct 1824


Friday's Express

individual whose remains were consigned to the earth, was in life no less, a personage than Henry Boswell, well known as the Father or King of the Gipsies resorting to this part of the country. The old man was encamped on Southorpe Heath 

now you have in 1824 Henry Boswell known as Father or king of the Gipsies,
how many times afterwards was Henry only called king, this was 1824
 

 


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« Reply #184 on: Saturday 02 January 16 08:21 GMT (UK) »
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« Reply #185 on: Saturday 02 January 16 08:37 GMT (UK) »
 I would often go with my  Mother   to pay   respects to People at Wilford Hill, there are lots there
 names like William , Joseph , Percy, Henry, Edward, James, Frederick,  Maria ,Rebecca, Letty,and more those sorts of names
lots we new of, lots as come as a surprise to me , I'm as sure as sure can be thoe that there all related, and more to, same as those other cemetery's, they were  just ordinary people living there own life in there own time, there were no fancy kings or great names known by others,  no fancy big gravstones, not nothing at all much just People gone now to this life, but I will speak more of them and what I know another time ,oral history,
  there on the right side as you go in the main entrance, up that little winding path ,  i know this is true , for i was there, i hope this is of help one day , some of there relatives will look , and they will find there way through my words, all those times long ago I would jump and skip along that path, seems so long ago now, my Mother had great love for the Dead, happy days,

most were born mid to late 1800s ,I think there are more over at the northern bulwell cemetery,
but I was never there, I seen their names on records,  I would say some could be right,

pluss on some records its not just the last name that can be spelled differently, where people have marriage records giving a Fathers name say George,
and yet they can not connect a George to an older Family that stands out as true, this is be course on records I have seen William  be known as George William, then just William, so if you come across say a George don't be thinking that was the only name he went by,

you have to take no notice of what you think is the right way of researching, you are dealing with people far different from anyways you thought was possible


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« Reply #186 on: Saturday 23 January 16 16:15 GMT (UK) »
 

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« Reply #187 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 21:08 GMT (UK) »
 

 Narrow Marsh 

 books have told people of the great London potteries of borrows so called pals,
 they have told of the great Gipsy camps round Lincoln, yes the Parsons lot, but not a soul ever heard of the rugged fight for your life,

the  Narrow Marsh of Nottingham, yes the Marshes, right next to and below the great Church of Nottingham, the Mother of the City , St Marys Herself,
 in the city long ago the locals were  hard hard people,   outsiders would not last long,
 Gipsys had to be twice as hard,

  they are never wrote about, that is good, for people would only lie of them ,  I know true oral history, I will talk for the Dead 

 this is Linda's talk
 
Thora Boswell was born in 1917 in St Martins Yard off Red Lion Street.  My branch of the family moved to Nottingham around 1870 starting with my grandfather's wife Roda Boswell nee Heron.
 

then this is  my talk
 
 1912

 VIOLENT NOTTINGHAM  HAWKER SENT TO GAOL.
 James Wiltshire, hawker, of 18, Taylor’s-yard. Red  Lion street   

 

 a big tribe swept in from Yorkshire, but they had been to this town long before, and other places, they hit this town running, they left an imprint that still rumbles on to this day 

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« Reply #188 on: Friday 05 February 16 11:55 GMT (UK) »
    these are small extracts from much larger articles and books,



  Nevile Truman and J R J Kerruish, NOTTINGHAM AND ITS CHURCHES 1449-1949 (1949)

 
THE history of Nottingham is the history of its two hills and the basin of land lying between them. Five centuries ago the little River Leen wound round the foot of the hills, and beyond it, looking southward, stretched the marshes and the broad River Trent. On one hill stood a great castle ; on the other a great church. From the unknown date in the time of the Anglo-Saxon township when a church was first built on this rock, St. Mary's stood at the very centre of Nottingham's life. The business life of the town and borough throbbed round it. The shopkeepers and artificers in their trades made and sold their wares in the low houses of the narrow streets clustered under the shadow of the great church.  And not only was St. Mary's in the centre of Nottingham's life and trade: round it rolled the nation's thoroughfare from south to north.   


J. Holland Walker,  Transactions of the Thoroton Society, 30 (1926)

 

An itinerary of Nottingham

Narrow Marsh

 

ONE hardly recognises Narrow Marsh under its modern name of Red Lion Street which was bestowed upon it in an access of zeal in 1905. I think the authorities must have come to the conclusion that the cup of wickedness of Narrow Marsh was full, and that the very name had something unholy about it and so they thought that by changing the name they could change the character of the inhabitants. Well, their intentions no doubt are very praiseworthy, but in attempting to get rid of the name of Narrow Marsh they have attempted to destroy an extremely interesting relic of the past, and in spite of the official and very prominent notice board displaying the brand new name of Red Lion Street, the name of Narrow Marsh holds its own pretty firmly to-day, and this is not to be wondered at. 


 A Brief History of Narrow Marsh

 by Nottingham hidden history team    
 

by Joe Earp

  Narrow Marsh area became notorious in the early 20th century as a very rough area. The area was notorious for its crime, poverty and slums,   It was reported that  policemen when patrolling Narrow Marsh would only venture in pairs.
 

James Granger, The Old Streets of Nottingham No. III, Transactions of the Thoroton Society, XII (1908)

 
I am sorry to say that on October 28th, 1904, name-boards were affixed at the ends of Narrow Marsh entitling it "Red Lion Street." This is a common title for public houses, and an attempt was made to impose it 0n the road about 1821, but to their credit the people of that period appear to have rejected it, and I shall not blame them if they again refuse that unseemly designation, for we ought not to sever one of the chief links with the past. If there must be a change, why not call it "Tanners' Gate," which would keep in memory its old associations ?

 

 Nottinghamshire   web site

Narrow Marsh

 This Ordnance Survey map of 1884 shows the maze of streets and courtyards that had developed in Broad and Narrow Marsh. Many of the houses were built 'back to back' around a central courtyard.   
  Entrance to the court was often along a narrow tunnel.
An important feature of the Marshes were the many lodging houses.  Red Lion Street, Narrow Marsh  The concentration of lodging houses in the area reflects the migrant nature of the working population, and their need to move from job to job. To earn a living, people moved between occupations, and trade to trade. The women worked as lace hands, machinists, cotton winders and charwomen. Many of the men were labourers, hawkers (street sellers), miners and lace workers.

 By the early 1900s it became urgent for the Nottingham corporation to tackle housing and health in the Marshes. 
   The Loggerheads Public House remains standing after most of the area was finally demolished. Red Lion Street Area, 1923

 
this next bit is by me,


then they built new houses but now they say these are going to be pulled down to,
 the new broad marsh centre may be expanded 2016 ,
  Narrow Marsh , 1315 ,
Red Lion Street  1904,1905,
Cliff Road 1920s, 30s

 when I was young my Mother would take me around this area knocking , that meens trying to sell things door to door, it is called cliff road now, that old pub that was left from the 20s demolition   we would go in,  and have a bite to eat, its shut down now, lots of old relations would have drank in there, now isent that a strange thing,
the Meadows,  Sneinton, St Anns, are areas surrounding the Old Marshes,
 Middle Marsh,
 Little Marsh,
Broad Marsh,
Narrow Marsh these are the names I have heard ,the Gipsys lived here also long long ago,
if you write  Narrow Marsh into your serch engine many photos will come up,

 Gipsys would bring their wagons into the town, then when the notion took them,
of they would go, then back again ,   
 one day the young ones never came back, the Old ones died of, that's about the truth of it.