A Rose by any other name, Charles Rose R.N and Mrs Rose

[Vatersay]

Hello there

Trying to find out about a Lieutenant Charles Rose R.N and Mrs Rose who were caught up in a maritime disaster in 1853. They had come from Quebec to talk to a boat owner and were returning to take charge of a new boat that was being built in Quebec for William Holderness the owner.
http://www.anniejane.net/
http://www.anniejane.net/passengers/cabin-passengers-drowned/
Just wondering if they got caught by the 1851 census.
Would love to find out Mrs Rose name and if they had left any children behind.

Also the ship Annie Jane can I find out which shipyard she was built in are there any records? She was built in a Quebec yard in 1853 and was wrecked on her maiden voyage.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Allan

[AMBLY]

Hi

Might not be the same man, but there is reference on this pdf of a Lt Charles Rose. It is referring to three letters written to him by family members, concerning his settlement & farm in Melbourne Quebec, between the years of 1835-1847. Unfortunately it's just a reference (no detail).
http://www.etrc.ca/fileadmin/etrc_documents/images/archives/ETRC_Settlement-web.pdf

1852 Census
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/District.jsp?ew=e&id=29
Not seeing anything definite?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Vatersay]

Thanks for that Ambly

I will go through that tonight and see if I can find him, but that's interesting, if he had been in Quebec that long its quite possible that children exist. I took a quick glance and was amazed by how many were born in Scotland.
I can't see there being two Lt Charles Rose in Quebec at the same time, just think of the confusion in the phone book.

Thanks again for your prompt response
Regards Allan

[dbree]

Hi,

An entry in "The Gentleman's Magazine" gives the name of his wife as Miriam.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g33/

Cheers,
DB

[Vatersay]

Thank you Ambly very much, have not found the homestead yet but will keep looking through the townships its good to know that they were long established in Quebec.

DB the clip from Gentleman's magazine which I had never heard of not only gives me her name but also clears up the mystery of who Mr Cattley was, a 13 year old travelling over to Canada who appears to be on his own?

Every puzzle solved throws up another one.

Again thanks  that's fantastic research by both of you.

Regards Allan

[AMBLY]

That was a great find dbreez 

Hi Allan,

Have you spotted the 1852 Census Entry for 'Chris' ROSE age 59 in Subdistrict # 430, Melbourne township Brompton Gore - wife Miriam?  I'd  bet this is him and 'Chris' is a mis-transcript for "Chas" or Cha's" or "Cha^s" - looking at the original image (click 'splitview' to load the image), I'd say it is meant to be "Chas".

There's also a John ROSE in Subdistrict # 430, Melbourne township - Brompton Gore part A , age 44 who has a daughter name Meriam....wonder if they're related?

Re: Master CATTLEY, the way he is mentioned in the middle of the piece about the ROSEs, it says to me that he was likely travelling with them - could be related?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Vatersay]

Thanks again

That really puts flesh on the bones, four children and two of them Canadians that puts him in Canada about 16 years. I feel I can call them Miriam and Charles now as if we have been formally introduced.

Its possible they were related to Mr Cattley but one family was from Plymouth and one from just outside York you could not put any more distance between them in England. Its much more likely that who ever put John Cattley on the boat put them into the care of the Roses. Just occurred to me that if the Roses were based in Quebec and we know they were only over to England on a short visit, they may have been tasked  by the father to pick him up and bring him over to Canada to join him.

Great work

Allan

[AMBLY]

 

I feel I can call them Miriam and Charles now as if we have been formally introduced.

  I know exactly what you mean - the decades, centuries even, just melt away and they feel like someone we know well today!

If you haven't already, you can find what is most probably their marriage plus the  2 English children's births on Family Search.
https://familysearch.org/search/

Cheers
AMBLY

[Vatersay]

Hi Ambly

Thanks for pointing out this site. I did my family tree years ago before everything became so much more accessible. So all new to me, its a steep learning curve.

Found the marriage, in Devon as it should be its good when it all comes together.
I hope you will help me again, I am taking a break for a little while as I have a work related course coming up that I need to study for.

Another three down only 327 people to find

Regards Allan