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help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« on: Monday 07 September 15 02:05 BST (UK) »
I am new to research in Scotland and it has been quite a few years since I have done any family history research.  My great great grandfather James Neil was born 27 Jan 1856 in Moffat, Dumfries, father Samuel Neil and mother Christina Gibson. I have not been able to find Samuel Neil in the 1841 census to try and identify his parents.  I have him in the 1851,1861 & 1871 census with his wife Christina.  I have his marriage to Christina Gibson on 19 Mar 1848, Bonhill Parish, Glasgow but the parish register doesn't show any parents names.  I have found a possibility of a birth on 30 Aug 1829 to David Neil and Catherine Sands, Barony, Lanark. 
My question is  how can I find more evidence that these are his parents?  Can anyone help me with any other suggestions?  I would really like to extend my family tree.
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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 September 15 06:07 BST (UK) »
His death certificate will give details of both parents, including his mother's maiden name. You will be able to download it at a modest cost from the ScotlandsPeople site. There are lots of posts here explaining how to do that.

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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 September 15 06:33 BST (UK) »
His death certificate will give details of both parents, including his mother's maiden name. You will be able to download it at a modest cost from the ScotlandsPeople site. There are lots of posts here explaining how to do that.

Only if he did die in Scotland  ???

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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 September 15 08:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Lea-Anne ,

Samuel and Christina would appear to be in Midlothian on the 1881 and 1891 Census.

Scotlandspeople has a death for a Christina Neil(other surname Gibson) 1901 , Midlothian , born c1830 , that may help locate a death for Samuel  :-\



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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 September 15 10:53 BST (UK) »
If this is the same family that ev has found in the 1901 census Samuel Neil still alive at 75,Warrender Park Road Edinburgh with his daughter Margaret ..
1 match on S P for a death in all Records 1901/1910
A record of a will for Samuel Neil of 75,Warrender Park Road Edinburgh died 28/8/1901 At Sultom County of Shetland ....So as the other's suggested his death will get you his parents

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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 September 15 12:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help.  I have been lucky enough today to find Samuel Neil in Wikipedia and then his death registration as suggested.  His parents were James Neil (Niel) and Sarah Lindsay.  But I have not been able to find Samuel's birth details in August 1825, Edinburgh, as mentioned in the Wikipedia article and the 1841 census still stumps me.  I have tried Scotchlands People, Ancestry, Family Search & Find My Past.   Can anyone else help with some suggestions, your help so far has been appreciated.
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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 September 15 15:46 BST (UK) »
Not seeing a birth for him either only 2 Samuel's I seen was in Windermere 1841 and 1 in Glasgow but his occupation was tailor

Think this might be the family in the 1841 census but no Samuel
Address High Street Civil Parish Glasgow College Lanarkshire
Margaret Houthold b 1783 Muslin Sewer
Sarah Lindsay b 1764
Sarah Neil b 1806
John Neil b 1826 Bookbinder
James Neil b 1827 shop boy
There are other people in the household

Also 1851 Census 1 Richmond Court Parish Gorbals
John Neil b1823 Glasgow Book binder master employing 2 men & 3 apprentices
Annie Neil b 1826 wife
Thomas Neil b 1849 Glasgow son
Sarah Neil b 1802 Renton Dumbarton formerly book binder & wife
James Neil b 1827 Brother

I see in all the census forms Samuel says he was born Glasgow  ???

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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 September 15 17:53 BST (UK) »
Closest birth I could find but date is out by 4 yrs & Father is John, Mother is Catherine Lemon  ???

Samuel Neill b 1829 Edinburgh

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTTD-XG9

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Re: help with parents Samuel Neil b abt 1827 Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 September 15 18:05 BST (UK) »
       There is a marriage of a James Niel to Sarah Lindsay at Barony on 6 Aug 1820.

       P.S.    rosie 17, you mentioned a 15 year old Sam Neil, a Tailor, on the 1841 census.
He was at a "House of Refuge for Boys" along with a lot of other boys.      I am wondering if this might actually be him.