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William Stephen and wife
« on: Sunday 06 September 15 08:29 BST (UK) »
Morning All
 Trying to find the births and marriage of William Stephen and wife was Mary
 All I have is from the census of England 1851/61/ 71  Both born Scotland abt 1805 Lived at Mount Edgecumbe Farm near Maker Cornwall There daughter was Eloy/Elsie who married James Smith
 Any help appreciated
Simon

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 September 15 08:47 BST (UK) »
Good morning Simon,
Were there any children to this couple (I note you mention a daughter)?
It would be helpful please to have their names including any middle names in order of birth, years of birth and country if birth to help try and locate the couple's origins in Scotland.

Looby :)

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 September 15 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Looby
 All children I 've found were born in Cornwall Maker and St Germans area

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 September 15 10:22 BST (UK) »
Hi again Simon,

I'm trying to establish:
Where and when the couple were likely to have married - looking at the 1861 & 1871 Census on Freecen Mary's age is a good bit younger than William's . She is 41 & 52 respectively - making her year of birth circa 1819/1820. Therefore they are most likely to have married late 1830s or sometime into the 1840s. The year of birth of their first child could help narrow that down.
Also names of the children (including middle names)and the order of birth can give clues.
Many Scots followed a naming tradition - which you may or may not be aware of  :-\ so apologies if I'm telling you something you already know :)
1st son - named after father's father
2nd son- named after mother's father
3rd son- named after father (unless the name was already in use above)
1st daughter named after mother's mother
2nd daughter named after mother's father
3rd daughter after mother ( unless already in use )
Middle names were frequently the mother's maiden name - other family surnames (granny's maiden names for instance).

There are quite a few William Stephen/Steven/Stephens in Scotland around the years we are looking at so any extra information could help narrow them down.

Do you have the deaths of William and Mary? You have them up till 1871 Census  :-\ Were they both dead prior to the 1881?
Sorry for the inquisition but with the info from your first post William and Mary will be very hard to find :)
Looby :)

Added - should have said , of course, that not all Scots followed the naming trad. strictly.


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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 September 15 13:33 BST (UK) »
I think I have Mary as a widow, aged 71, in East Stonehouse, Devon in 1891 - she's at 13 St Paul's Street - her daughter Elsie Smith (nee Stephens) is at 29 St Paul's Street with her husband James and 5 of their children (according to the 1911 census, Elsie and James had 11 children, 10 of whom were still alive in 1911).

Lots on Elsie and James - James Smith was born in 1843 in Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire, to Alexander Smith and Ann Barclay. He was in the navy - a ship's cook, according to the 1881 census. Haven't found a marriage yet (English marriage records are so rubbish  ;D), but the first child of theirs I can find is Minnie or Annie (depending on which census record you look at), born abt. 1866 in Maker, Cornwall - there is an Annie Smith, grandchild, with William and Mary Stephens in Maker in the 1871 census. James presumably moved around a bit - one of their children, Alice, was born in 1873 in Greenock, then the remaining children are born in East Stonehouse, Devon.

There's a death for a Martha Mary McK Stephens in East Stonehouse in 1893, aged 78 - which could conceivably be our Mary Stephens - although the age is a bit off - and it's a shame the McK... has been truncated - presumably her maiden name...  :(

However, never one to be put off by such an inconvenience...  ;D Tantalisingly, there was a marriage between a Mary McKechnie and a William Stephen in Glasgow on 21 Jul 1839...  ;)

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McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 September 15 14:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruthhelen,

There is a couple William and Mary Stephen in Barony parish of Glasgow on the 1841 Census. He is a 30 year old Compositor from, ironically, England. Mary is 25 an from Lanarkshire. There are no children.
This couple are also on the 1851 at Rottenrow Street William aged 42 and Mary aged 36, still no children. I wonder if they are the couple you found in Glasgow marrying in 1839?

Interesting that Elsie Stephen's husband James Smith hailed from Aberdeenshire.... I had thought when looking for a possible William Stephen that there were a lot of Stephens in that county and wondered if we'd find William and Mary there.
Last point - on Familysearch the 1861 England Census for Mary has transcribed her as - Mary J Stephan      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74Y-R7L
The middle initial J does not appear on the Freecen transcription - wonder if it existed or not ? :-\

Looby :)

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 September 15 14:15 BST (UK) »
There is a couple William and Mary Stephen in Barony parish of Glasgow on the 1841 Census. He is a 30 year old Compositor from, ironically, England. Mary is 25 an from Lanarkshire. There are no children.
This couple are also on the 1851 at Rottenrow Street William aged 42 and Mary aged 36, still no children. I wonder if they are the couple you found in Glasgow marrying in 1839?

Quite possibly - I was just off to do a bit more digging around - it was probably about as tenuous a link as it's possible to find... Nice idea though  ;D

on Familysearch the 1861 England Census for Mary has transcribed her as - Mary J Stephan      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74Y-R7L
The middle initial J does not appear on the Freecen transcription - wonder if it existed or not ? :-\

It doesn't - just looked at the actual image on A******y...  ;D

Ruth
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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 September 15 14:33 BST (UK) »
There is a couple William and Mary Stephen in Barony parish of Glasgow on the 1841 Census. He is a 30 year old Compositor from, ironically, England. Mary is 25 an from Lanarkshire. There are no children.
This couple are also on the 1851 at Rottenrow Street William aged 42 and Mary aged 36, still no children. I wonder if they are the couple you found in Glasgow marrying in 1839?

Quite possibly - I was just off to do a bit more digging around - it was probably about as tenuous a link as it's possible to find... Nice idea though  ;D

on Familysearch the 1861 England Census for Mary has transcribed her as - Mary J Stephan      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74Y-R7L
The middle initial J does not appear on the Freecen transcription - wonder if it existed or not ? :-\

It doesn't - just looked at the actual image on A******y...  ;D

Ruth

Trust Familysearch to invent an initial ::)  Just when I thought perhaps another clue to Mary's name. ;D
 
I had briefly looked at the English born William with Mary on Scottish 1841 earlier Ruth when considering that the couple might be on that Census. Not that I knew of the McKechnie surname in connection with the couple. They just stood out because he was English born.
 Have now checked with a free search the Statutory deaths on Scotlands People. There is a Mary with surnames Stephen/McKechnie , year of birth 1814 1+/- year dying in Blackfriars district of Glasgow 1892. :-\     
Not sure if William Stephen and Mary Mckechnie are the couple  :-\

Looby :)

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Re: William Stephen and wife
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 September 15 14:39 BST (UK) »
Have now checked with a free search the Statutory deaths on Scotlands People. There is a Mary with surnames Stephen/McKechnie , year of birth 1814 1+/- year dying in Blackfriars district of Glasgow 1892. :-\     
Not sure if William Stephen and Mary Mckechnie are the couple  :-\

Yes, I think that must be this Mary - have just done the same myself  ;D I found William and Mary Stephen in 1861 in Castle Street, Blackfriars - and then Mary later in 1881 at the same address, as a widow...

So not our elusive William and Mary then... onwards and upwards...  ::)

Ruth
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.