Maria Felix born 1854

[LaraG]

 

[LaraG]

Just a quick question.  Is a certificate better or image.  Haven't had an Aussie one for years and didn't get a choice then.

Thanks in advance

[majm]

Image is better, as it is an image of the register 

You can use your plastic card and download it direct to your computer.

If there's handwriting on it that is hard to decipher, you can always rely on RChatters to help decipher those words....   

Cheers,  JM

[LaraG]

Thanks will go with image then

[Dundee]

Here is a marriage notice for Patrick and Hannah

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3712491
The Moreton Bay Courier Saturday 5 January 1850 

It confirms the correct date of the marriage and also confirms the death of the Patrick CONDON which I have given is the likely correct man.
Sue

We regret to add that he had only been married a few days previous to the accident.

Cando

John FELIX 10/- is named as a subscriber towards the building of a Wesleyan Chapel in 1858.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3716794

Cando

Just some observations on marriage dates.

QLD BDM online index

1854
BM373
Patrick Dundon CONDON
- SANDS

NSW BDM online index

1849
# 316
Volume 96
CONDON, PATRICK D
- SANDS
Roman Catholic, Brisbane (QLD)

1849
# 318
Volume 98
CONDON, PATRICK D
- SANDS
Roman Catholic, Singleton (inc. New England), St Augustine's, Co. Northumberland

Volume 96
Microfilm Reel 5038
110-end (765)
Marriages 1849-1850
Roman Catholic

Volume 98
Microfilm Reel 5038
1-184
Marriages 1852
Roman Catholic

The date of marriage on all of the above entries is 31 December 1849 and is confirmed by the newspaper announcement.  The 'few days' between marriage and death is a bit of an exaggeration.

QLD BDM online index

1854
BM773
John   FELIX
Hannah CONDON

NSW BDM online index

1860
# 67
Volume 85
FELIX, JOHN
CONDON, HANNAH
Wesleyan Methodist   
Brisbane; Co. Stanley; Ipswich; Moreton Bay (QLD)

Volume 85
Microfilm Number 5033
1-end (485)
Marriages    1850-1855
Methodist (Wesleyan)

The Qld entry is showing a marriage date of 10 June 1850, the NSW is 10 June 1860.  Because the volume number covers marriages from 1850 to 1855 I think we can safely say that the correct year is 1850 and the NSW index entry is a transcription error.

I think the various references to the years 1852 and 1854 on both marriages is possibly just derived from which actual register the marriage was entered into and then used for the indexing.

Debra 

[Dundee]

If the approximate birth year for Maria is correct and she was the daughter of John and Hannah then I would expect to find her baptism in one of these:

Vol. 55    Reel 5020    (+ 404-end)    Baptisms    1846-1850    Methodist (Wesleyan)
Vol. 56    Reel 5020    (1-end)            Baptisms    1851-1855    Methodist (Wesleyan)

+ Some pages have been inadvertently missed in filming while for others the filmed image is very faint. These pages have been copied and are available at State Records at COD 434 and 435 (2 sets); they have also been filmed onto Reel 5048 (see Appendix).

Appendix
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/appendix-1/appendix#Appendix

Debra 

[majm]

The Qld entry is showing a marriage date of 10 June 1850, the NSW is 10 June 1860.  Because the volume number covers marriages from 1850 to 1855 I think we can safely say that the correct year is 1850 and the NSW index entry is a transcription error.

I think the various references to the years 1852 and 1854 on both marriages is possibly just derived from which actual register the marriage was entered into and then used for the indexing.

Debra 

Yes,  I agree, the NSW index entry is likely a transcription error.  NSW BDM handed over copies of the images from their Early Church Records, and Qld BDM prepared their own index.  Also, NSW BDM index was initially prepared in 1930s from the original records, which may well have been well worn, thumb marked, torn corners, ink bled through and otherwise difficult to read and therefore difficult to transcribe. 

Well found Debra.

Cheers,  JM

[LaraG]

Thank you

[LaraG]

Right here we go.

The first Image (very clear) John Felix married Hannah Condon 10 June 1850  Wesleyans Morton Bay

John Felix of Town Maria. to Hannah Condon of North Brisbane in the presence of William Frazer, Elizabeth Frazer. married by William Lightbody.  No more information

Second image also very clear

Married at the residence of Mrs Felix Terrace Street, Fortitude Valley
11 April 1873  Thomas Simpson Batchelor Born Great Grimbaly Lincolnshire England Labourer 22 years Address Fortitude Valley F James Simpson M Hannah Tillation. Fathers occ builder.
to Maria Felix Spinster Brisbane Queensland, Domestic Servant 19 years address Terrace Street Fortitude Valley  F John Felix,  M Hannah Love Fathers Ocp Couper.   In presence of Hannah Felix and Alfred Sands  Married according to the rites of the  Baptist Church by John Kingsford.

So well done ladies or gents we have a match so yes Maria was born 1854. so need to find her birth now.