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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 October 15 09:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you andy. I would have assumed it would be part of their normal subscription price? Ok they may put those up , but that then remains the right of the consumer to assess price v need.

As to the redacting , how will this be done? I assume there is information on the original forms to highlight who was born pre1914?

So a WW2 form will actually be representative of WW1  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 October 15 09:51 BST (UK) »
They went on line yesterday......see previous posts about views about them
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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 October 15 09:55 BST (UK) »
I even searched  ;D

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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 10 October 15 10:00 BST (UK) »
They went on line yesterday......see previous posts about views about them
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The electoral registers dataset (1832-1932) which went online yesterday are not the same thing as the 1939 National Identity Card Register.


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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 10 October 15 10:01 BST (UK) »
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The form has date of birth of each person so it is easy to identify people to be redacted.

Some time ago from an FOI request the Information Commissioner ruled that information could only be released on people who were deceased. I'm curious as to whether the Information Commissioner has varied their ruling or whether the Department (NHS?) has the authority to vary it, if not, then I dont know how they can release information on living people over 100 years old.

You will be able to apply for information on redacted people now deceased but FindMyPast have given no indication as to how that will be done nor whether there will be a fee to process the request.

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 11 October 15 07:15 BST (UK) »
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My guess is that this will reveal the details of the launch. I saw the invite go up the day before the new button appeared in the top menu bar.
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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 11 October 15 09:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

The form has date of birth of each person so it is easy to identify people to be redacted.

Some time ago from an FOI request the Information Commissioner ruled that information could only be released on people who were deceased. I'm curious as to whether the Information Commissioner has varied their ruling or whether the Department (NHS?) has the authority to vary it, if not, then I dont know how they can release information on living people over 100 years old.

You will be able to apply for information on redacted people now deceased but FindMyPast have given no indication as to how that will be done nor whether there will be a fee to process the request.

Andy

If you are referring to the Freedom of Information claim that I made in 2009 then yes you are correct the Information Commissioner ruled that information could only be released on people who were deceased.

HOWEVER I believe the Information Commissioner misdirected himself when he considered the following-

23. In addition to this, the Commissioner also notes that the withheld information would fall under the definition of ‘personal census information’ as set out in the Census Act 1920 (the “Census Act”). Section 8(2) of the Census Act specifies that if the Registrar General, or any person under his control or supplying services to him, discloses any personal census information to another person without lawful authority, he is guilty of an offence – this has previously been considered in detail by the Commissioner in FS50147944.1 Whilst the Commissioner is aware that the 1939 Register does not fall under this legislation, he believes that the statutory bar contained therein is indicative of public policy in relation to personal information of this nature.

The reason I believe that this is a misdirection is the Acts like the Marriage Act, 1949 and the Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1953 contain the same or similar information but public policy demands that such information be released on payment of a fee.

One cannot claim one particular Act is indicative of public policy in relation to personal information of this nature when at least two (and indeed more) Acts legislate for the reverse.
I did not appeal it at the time as I had won what I wanted at the time and contented myself with that.

The 100 year rule is a figment of people’s imagination it does not exist in law.
It was enacted in1966 (Lord Chancellor’s Instrument number 12); it was repealed by the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

For the Information Commissioner to claim public policy of 100 years of secrecy (something that was not enacted until 45 years later) credits the public with the ability to foretell the future.
What he should have done is to look at how similar releases of information were treated at the time or previous to the 1939 National Registration and he would see that census records were being released between 70 and 80 years after they had been taken in England & Wales.

As with the 1921 Census the National Archives claims it will be released in 2022 but the legislation that controls it's release the Census Act 1920 (as amended) clearly states now information is to be released and puts no time span as to how long the restriction lasts.
It is therefore just as legal to release the information today as it it is on the 2nd January 2022 or to put it another way if it is illegal to release it today it will still be illegal in 2022 unles legislation is passed in the meantime allowing such a release.

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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #16 on: Friday 16 October 15 20:13 BST (UK) »
I fully appreciate that this process takes time but it would have been customer friendly to possibly update on progress or give a projected date for example instead of just saying 'this year'.  Many of us are paying customers; it's just a courtesy to have some sort of communication, albeit minimal.
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Re: 1939 National Register??
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 October 15 20:29 BST (UK) »
There is a blog that you can follow and participate in.

Recent posts:


"Is there any indication when the register will actually be released? And will it be available as part of a standard subscription or will it be subject to additional charges?"
 
"Well, it's 13th October so if it's still happening in 2015, and unless it's coming out on New Years Eve, the updates must be coming soon I hope! Should be fun."
 
JimShaughnessyFMP:
"Hi there. We're not ready to announce just yet, but stay tuned for updates in the near future"

http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2015/what-does-the-1939-register-mean-for-family-historians/
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