1939 National Register??

[california dreamin]

So here's another question -

Let's suppose more than one person is  requesting to view the same household, the person whose details they want to view is under 100 years.  One customer provides  the necessary death details.  Then someone else comes along and wants to see these details. Do FindMyPast 'unlock' this person perpetually because someone has already provided details of death or does the next person ALSO have to provide proof of death?

[Guy Etchells]

So here's another question -

Let's suppose more than one person is  requesting to view the same household, the person whose details they want to view is under 100 years.  One customer provides  the necessary death details.  Then someone else comes along and wants to see these details. Do FindMyPast 'unlock' this person perpetually because someone has already provided details of death or does the next person ALSO have to provide proof of death?

From my understanding of the situation FindMyPast and the GRO using "robust" records are going to be working together to try to determine which records refer to deceased people in addition individuals will have to provide copies of death certificates to prove an individual is deceased (this would be important in the case of someone who died overseas).
Once it is confirmed that a particular subject is deceased it should not need confirming again.

Cheers
Guy

[Chris Dallimore]

Surely the GRO deaths index would be sufficient for this? The date of birth of the deceased is included. I suppose change of surname due to marriage etc wouldn't help. What year does the index start listing birth dates?

[carol8353]

Surely the GRO deaths index would be sufficient for this? The date of birth of the deceased is included. I suppose change of surname due to marriage etc wouldn't help. What year does the index start listing birth dates?

Birth dates are listed from 1969,but using the GRO deaths index wouldn't help in the example given by californian dreaming as his mum died abroad.

[Guy Etchells]

Surely the GRO deaths index would be sufficient for this? The date of birth of the deceased is included. I suppose change of surname due to marriage etc wouldn't help. What year does the index start listing birth dates?

Unfortunately no not always, they would have to link the person to the correct death certificate, but records such as the NHS Central Register and the National Insurance database etc. do exist and are accessible for certain companies to check to ascertain that an individual is deceased. This is to help prevent fraud, ID theft etc. I don't know exactly what records would be used but there are databases available that may be checked (at a price).

Cheers
Guy

[Chris Dallimore]

That's true, and all those who died before 1969.

[sugarfizzle]

The original price of £24.95 for 5 households still seems a bit steep, but if it is true that there will be a 25% discount for existing subscribers, that brings the price down to £18.72, only £3.75 per household. Perhaps not too bad for a selection of 5 out of 7 of my and my husband's direct ancestors. Don't know enough about the process for seeing redacted records yet on production of death certificates, so may not see my parents' records for a few years, but it will be a start.
Margaret

[sunnylew]

I've received a reply about the process for opening up the records for those under 100 years old.

"Thank you for your email regarding haing a record opened.

As part of your 12-month subscription, you are able to take advantage of our free evidence of death checking service via an online form. You need to be signed in and complete a form to request an officially closed record to be opened. We have a dedicated evidence-checking team to review all requests. We aim to process all requests and send confirmation of the outcome within 10 working days, starting the day after being submitted.

You will need to conduct a search for that person on the site to find the record. This is likely to include the name and address within the register, date of birth and occupation, as well as household schedule numbers.

You need to prove that the individual listed in the records is deceased in order to submit your request to us and for that the record to be opened. We can only accept a copy of an official death certificate (issued by the General Register Office or overseas equivalent) so please ensure you have this documentation before proceeding.

The only suitable form of evidence is an official death certificate (files supported: .jpg, .png, .gif). If we do not receive this valid proof of death, we will be unable to proceed with a search.

If the death occurred abroad, then you will be required to scan and send a copy of the death certificate provided by that country.
This will need to be the equivalent of a GRO certificate in England & Wales therefore must be the fully certified information. A scanned copy is acceptable as opposed to the original and this must contain all required information. 

You are welcome to provide additional information such as siblings, occupation, evacuee or any other relevant information that may help us to search the data.

You will also be required to provide your contact details in order that we can get in touch with you to confirm the status of your request and to request more information if required

Once an officially closed record has been opened up, it is available to view immediately."

[california dreamin]

Hi sunnylew,

Thanks for posting this reply.  It is v. helpful to understand the system FindMyPast will be using.  I still don't like the idea of having to supply (for example) the d/c of my Mum.  I know they make it sound very easy but often locating the correct d/c of someone (even here in the UK) is quite tricky.

Hopefully when they say they will open  up the record immediately, they mean for anyone (as Guy suggests).