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Re: Nersery Rhymes
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 August 15 09:48 BST (UK) »
Am I the only one that finds some of these nursery rhymes creepy...

Rock a bye baby ... Down comes baby cradle and all

Ring a ring a Rosie .... They all fall down

Humpty Dumpty ... Falling off the wall

Creeeeeeeepy.
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Re: Nursery Rhymes
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 August 15 09:49 BST (UK) »

I once read that Baa Baa Black sheep dated back to the Wool Tax, which from memory was introduced in 1125.

Wow!!  That will be part of the 1.8% then.   :D
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Re: Nursery Rhymes
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 22 August 15 09:53 BST (UK) »
Am I the only one that finds some of these nursery rhymes creepy...

Rock a bye baby ... Down comes baby cradle and all

Ring a ring a Rosie .... They all fall down

Humpty Dumpty ... Falling off the wall 

I think they often did commemorate nasty, creepy things........ e.g. incy wincy spider  :)

But "Utty Dumpy" (as my boys called him,) was about a war,  and Ring a ring a Rosie was about the plague I believe.
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Re: Nursery Rhymes
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 22 August 15 09:55 BST (UK) »
Am I the only one that finds some of these nursery rhymes creepy...

Rock a bye baby ... Down comes baby cradle and all

Ring a ring a Rosie .... They all fall down

Humpty Dumpty ... Falling off the wall 

I think they often did commemorate nasty, creepy things........ e.g. incy wincy spider  :)

But "Utty Dumpy" (as my boys called him,) was about a war,  and Ring a ring a Rosie was about the plague I believe.

But singing songs to kids to put them to sleep about plague and war .....
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Re: Nursery Rhymes
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 August 15 10:00 BST (UK) »

Am I the only one that finds some of these nursery rhymes creepy...

Ring a ring a Rosie .... They all fall down

But singing songs to kids to put them to sleep about plague and war .....

Y-e-s, but, Ring a ring a Rosie  for instance, is a skipping song culminating in "all fall down" gruesome yes, but not meant as a lullaby I think?
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Re: Nersery Rhymes
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 22 August 15 10:05 BST (UK) »
Am I the only one that finds some of these nursery rhymes creepy...

Rock a bye baby ... Down comes baby cradle and all

Ring a ring a Rosie .... They all fall down

Humpty Dumpty ... Falling off the wall

Creeeeeeeepy.

Check the origins and history of Nursery Rhymes!

Baa, Baa Black Sheep relates to the Wool Tax of 1275

Goosey Goosey Gander relates to the persecution of Catholics (I came across an old man who wouldn't say his prayers, so I took him by the left leg and threw him down the stairs!)

Jack & Jill possibly relates to King Charles I attempts to standardise liquid measures? Jacks and Gills? (Jack fell down and broke his crown)

Mary, Mary quite Contrary probably relates to Queen Mary. "Contrary" being one way to describe a murderous psychopath! Silver Bells and Cockle Shells being torture devices!

Ring-a-Ring-a-Rosie is popularly supposed to refer to The Great Plague. The rash on the skin being rings, and sneezing being a symptom. Atishoo, Atishoo, we all fall down - meaning we all die after sneezing!


See: http://listverse.com/2012/11/28/10-sinister-origins-of-nursery-rhymes/
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Re: Nersery Rhymes
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 22 August 15 10:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone, I know I have asked an impossible question, I was pondering really.
My grandmother would have been 132 also, so she would have learnt them from her mother/grandmother too.
I hadn't realised that Baa Baa black sheep was about wool tax? But it makes sense. I always thought that it was a sharing out of bags of wool, first come first served kind of thing for who gets the prized black wool?
As for their origins, and I do think some were creepy too.
I wonder if many were passed down as verbal warnings, re Cradle in tree tops and Poseys causing sneezing (or the it's about keeping the plague away, as I was once told)
Georgey Porgey could have been about warning girls about boys advances? (he kissed them and made them cry)
Polly Flinders (not to sit too near the fire?)
Now, what were they thinking about Sing a song of sixpence? To make sure the birds were dead before cooking in a pie?
3 blind mice , was that from the rime when killing/cutting off the tail would get you 3d or 6d from the rat catching department of the local council?
Jack Spratt, could that be waste not, want not?


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Re: Nersery Rhymes
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 August 15 10:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone, I know I have asked an impossible question, I was pondering really.
My grandmother would have been 132 also, so she would have learnt them from her mother/grandmother too.
I hadn't realised that Baa Baa black sheep was about wool tax? But it makes sense. I always thought that it was a sharing out of bags of wool, first come first served kind of thing for who gets the prized black wool?
As for their origins, and I do think some were creepy too.
I wonder if many were passed down as verbal warnings, re Cradle in tree tops and Poseys causing sneezing (or the it's about keeping the plague away, as I was once told)
Georgey Porgey could have been about warning girls about boys advances? (he kissed them and made them cry)
Polly Flinders (not to sit too near the fire?)
Now, what were they thinking about Sing a song of sixpence? To make sure the birds were dead before cooking in a pie?
3 blind mice , was that from the rime when killing/cutting off the tail would get you 3d or 6d from the rat catching department of the local council?
Jack Spratt, could that be waste not, want not?

I was told (true or not I have no idea) that it was based on a Little Person who was given to a Queen of France after he jumped out of a pie. Said little person killed one of my distant relatives in a duel.
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