s.s.hare

[dathai]

Philip Hopkins son of Francis and Ellen
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=hopkins&srch_forename=philip&srch_identityno=&srch_yob=&submit=Search

[myluck!]

Hi tom-dick & myluck! thanks for getting back to us and for the useful record details. Indeed, I'm assisting a friend of mine whose descendant is Joseph Hopkins. She is keen to link up with other descendants of those who went down with the Ship. Are you by any chance descendants? There is some interest amongst trade union activists and local historians to make the centenary in some small way and to involve descendants. Ideas are welcome! 

davidcotter
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Hi David
I am not descended from, or related to, anyone who was on the ship
Just from a research interest I looked up another person to help start a search for you 

[myluck!]

Joseph SWORDS

Joseph Edward SWORDS born Aug 28 1880
Born: 1880 Rathdown Q3 V2 P902 - LINK
Baptised: 1880 August 29th in Dalkey

Father: Joseph SWORDS (F Michael) and Mother: Rose ARCHBOLD (F George)
married May 02 1870 - LINK with match LINK

1901 census - LINK living at #18 in Convent Road (Dalkey, Dublin)

1911 census - LINK living at #22 in Convent Road (Dalkey, Dublin)

Joseph SWORDS senior died in 1905 aged 63 - LINK

Their children were:
1. 1871 Jan 31 Michael (seaman) - m. Teresa HOLLYWOOD Oct 29 1924 in St. Andrew's Westland Row

2. 1872 Apr 20 Mary; died 1921 unmarried LINK

3. 1874 May 14 Elizabeth (Lily) ?

4. 1876 May 02 Rosanne; m. Michael MAGUIRE Jul 04 1906; 1911 census at #4 in Mount Vella (Dalkey, Dublin)
There is one online family trees on a paid site that shows Rosanne also married to a Michael Anthony SAURIN at the same time! LINK
I believe that this tree has confused two Rosannes
I believe that the MAGUIRE marriage is correct and that her daughter Norah married Arthur Daniel BAKER as there are several trees including her - Norah died in 1955 but had at least 6 children if trees correct.

5. 1878 May 29 Josephine; died 1890 aged 11 LINK

6. 1880 Aug 28 Joseph Edward (seaman); died Dec 14 1917 on SS Hare

7. 1883 May 21 Sophia; died 1949 unmarried LINK

8. 1886 Jan 18 George (seaman); alive still on ship crews in 1919

9. 1888 May 05 Margaret; possible death in 1945 if still unmarried

10. 1890 Jun 29 Edward; worked for Guinness; died Jan 26 1944

11. 1893 Jan 28 John Francis  (seaman); joined the Friars of the Atonement Garrison, Putnam, NY and became a Brother; his 1942 US World War II Draft Registration Card is online

Rose wrote on the 1911 census that she had eleven children of which nine were still alive,
however to me it looks as if ten were alive! subject to record checks and confirmation of course
LINK to search on familysearch.org

Although a large family it immediately looks as Joseph had very few ancestors but there are siblings that require further research and confirmation

[tom-dick]

Thank you Myluck and Dathai,for you research.I had tried to get into the Kew site before with no success before.I will try again later.I think I had been in contact with a descendant of one person on the S.S.HARE,I am looking to see where I put the paperwork.I do hope that a plaque or some sort of recognition is done for the centenary.Sarah was my great aunt.Unfortunately,her son William died in a torpedo attack in W.W.2.Once again thank you all for your help,tom

[myluck!]

There is a memorial in Kilmore Quay that mentions six of those lost on the SS Hare - not quite sure why all are not included
http://www.irishships.com/kilmore_quay_memorial.html

[myluck!]

Robert William TRAVERS

born Feb 08 1892 Southampton
to George Alfred TRAVERS and Alexandra DENTON

Navy seaman #4127/A  ref IC 9024/1918

married Nov 21 1916 Q4 V86 P401 Caroline Louisa SMITH
she is shown as his widow on his medal card; living at 21 Aston Street, Edge Hill, Liverpool
she died in 1979

Robert had at least six siblings
George A 1889-1960 m. Ella FRYATT 1917 had at least 6 children
Lilian A 1895-1930 m.? probably not
Benjamin 1896-1976 m. Annie STRIDE 1922 ? children
Ernest H 1899-1984 m.? probably not
Albert E 1902-1974 m.? probably not
Edward 1903- ?

Family are on the UK 1901 and 1911 census returns

[myluck!]

Daniel ELEY
was born 152 in Bermondsey, London to Daniel and Ellen ELEY

He married Susan MOULE c1876

Children
Jan 20 1878 Minnie
Apr 07 1879 Florence
1881 Daniel; m. Fanny Allen ROSS Nov 30 1908 in Rusholme

Family listed on census returns at
1881 Bermondsey, London
1891 Bermondsey, London
1901  Bermondsey, London without Daniel Snr
1911 South Manchester without Daniel Jnr

Daniel Jnr is shown as a boarder in 1911 in Kings Norton; he was an advertising Expert
His wife Fanny Allen ELEY is in Liscard, Cheshire shown as married 2 years with no children
They may have had children after this time

Daniel ELEY is referred to in records as Mariner, Steward or Ship Steward etc.

[tom-dick]

myluck,thank you for the link on the memorial in kilmore,I presume that is in Wexford?I had a good look at the S.S.Hare piece.I think that the names on it are people that were born in Ireland only.They have my great aunt as,Mrs Arland instead of Mrs Arnott.Once again,thank you very much for your time.I am going to write to them and let them know of their mistake.

[myluck!]

Yes Kilmore Quay is in Co. Wexford

It is possible that only Irish born people were added to the memorial but in 1917 Ireland was not a Republic. Of course the names could have been added later.

As Sarah was the only female it does look like her name is incorrect

Hopefully anyone interested in the future may find this topic and have a start in locating those lost at sea