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Offline Cai Thomas

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James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« on: Wednesday 19 August 15 12:56 BST (UK) »
I have hit a brick wall looking for the parents of James Frederick Toole(1796-1847) and John Toole (1801-1838)

James Toole married Elizabeth Bertout

John Toole married Ann trist

I have lots of information on James and John, James was famous as a toastmaster for the city of London. However the parents remain elusive.

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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 August 15 12:58 BST (UK) »
I have put this as Middlesex as James was born in Aldgate BUT John was born in Devon? (possibly an error as they lived in Devonshire street for a long time)
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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 August 15 09:15 BST (UK) »
This maybe the guy?

Name:   James Tooley
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   26 Feb 1796
Baptism Place:   St Marys,Watford,Hertford,England
Father:   John Tooley
Mother:   Sophia
FHL Film Number:   991355


I would have to order the film?
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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 August 15 09:51 BST (UK) »
However that is most likley the not the family, that family is quite well documented and go down different lines.
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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 August 15 10:18 BST (UK) »
What is the source for middle name Frederick? I see he was just James Toole on marriage (1818, Newington), in the 1841 census (Devonshire St), at death/burial in 1847 and on the grant of administration of his estate.

His obituary in the Illustrated London News (attached to a public tree on Ancestry) stated that he spent 22 years in the East India Company - has that yielded anything by way of records?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 August 15 10:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Friday 21 August 15 10:18 BST (UK)
What is the source for middle name Frederick? I see he was just James Toole on marriage (1818, Newington), in the 1841 census (Devonshire St), at death/burial in 1847 and on the grant of administration of his estate.

His obituary in the Illustrated London News (attached to a public tree on Ancestry) stated that he spent 22 years in the East India Company - has that yielded anything by way of records?

Frederick is mentioned on a number of newspaper cuttings about him, we have over 50 celebrating or mentioning James Frederick Toole, J F Toole or James F Toole the toastmaster.

They were unable to provide any more information regarding his early life, though they did provide me with a full copy of his will and provided the link to his brother.
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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 August 15 10:41 BST (UK) »
A few other possibilities

Mark Toole - Poll Book 1796 - Vinter (Wine producer) Wellclofe Square London

Thomas Toole - Poll Book 1796 - Merchant tailor - 9 pancras lane London

As I can't order a birth certificates for these dates, any help is very much appreciated :)

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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 August 15 10:48 BST (UK) »
Extracted data from James's signup papers to the East India Company

East India Company London warehouses: Register number - 4330; Date of appointment - 12 Apr 1826; Post - Labourer; Nominating director - William Taylor Money; Occupation - No trade; Age at recruitment - 25; Height - 5ft 8½ins; Warehouse - Tea.

So he wan't skilled, he hasn't had training
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Re: James Frederick Toole - Parents of
« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 August 15 10:50 BST (UK) »
He was previously an Usher at the Old Bailey as well, but they were unable to find any paperwork, most was damaged from this period apparently.
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